DOLPHINS: Quincy Carter in Town

Mon Aug 4 19:37:35 GMT 2008

I'd rather not see Henne start in week 1.  Goes back to the question of whether Beck was "ruined" or not by playing too soon last year....  I think a lot of things have to go into the equation when deciding whether to play a rookie QB.  One of them is definitely the QB himself---how mature he is, how ready he is, etc.  Like Mark pointed out, there have been QBs who have started as rookies and used it as a good learning experience---the coach has to know whether the player has that kind of poise (and I do think Henne seems more poised than Beck, though that's just a guess that's not really based on anything).

But I think what might be even more important in that decision is the OL.  The problem with playing Beck last year wasn't just that he was a rookie, but that our OL was so bad.  Beck's first exposure to the NFL was having to immediately run for his life, having guys in his face before he even had the ball in his hands, etc.  I think it can't be a coincidence that now he seems jumpy in the pocket and too quickly goes to the checkdown.  Ruined is too strong a word, but I think it's going to take Beck some time to get past his experience from last year---not just the confidence he lost (which, I agree that if he's going to be a legit NFL QB, then struggling as a rookie shouldn't hurt his confidence that much), but also just the experience of constantly being under way too much pressure.  Based on his experience, in the NFL, you either go to the checkdown right away or you get plastered (and fumble).  Now he has to unlearn that, which sets him back.

So with Henne, I don't have a huge problem with him starting at some point in his rookie year, but let's wait until we get the OL sorted out a bit, have a consistent group in there, and get the offense into at least some sort of rhythm.  And if that doesn't happen this year, I don't have any problem with him sitting for the year and coming in as the presumptive starter next year.  It's not like the decision on who to start at QB in week 1 is going to make the difference between a good season or a bad one for this team.....

From: dolfandave at att.net
To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:11:03 +0000
Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Quincy Carter in Town

Though I am not too crazy about the idea it wouldn't surprise me to see Henne become the starter for Week 1. I mean so far you could say he has only played decent against 2nd and 3rd teamers but he also looked great against Florida's defense in his last bowl game. 

ddave
-------------- Original message from Kristoffer Shields <kms223 at hotmail.com>: -------------- 

I think it's somewhat encouraging, though, that the one QB who does seem to be progressing and showing something is Henne.  He's not the answer this year, but the fact that it sounds like he is looking pretty good and actually looking better than the other two is encouraging for the long-term, I think.  I'm disappointed Beck hasn't looked better---I wonder if throwing him in there last year completely ruined him.  But let's be honest, how much does this year matter, anyway?  If McCown is no better than he's ever been (which I've always assumed would be the case), does it really matter?  But if Henne is showing that he can be a solid answer long-term....  that's actually a fairly exciting thing coming out of camp, IMO.  It's just that it's not going to lead to anything immediately.

From: dolfanbg at comcast.net
To: dolphins-disc at phins.com
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:45:50 +0000
Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Quincy Carter in Town

I saw that as well.  I had been feeling much more positive about the team with recent reports on Ronnie/Ricky, Hagan, and the rookie at RG.  But now I'm getting ready to hit the panic button.  I can sort of understand why they brought in QC.  You'd think after a full week in camp that at least one of the qb's would be showing some improvement.  It sounds like they're all regressing.  2 out of 22 and then those were dump-offs???  Are you kidding me?  I'd expect a high school qb to come in off the street and hit at least one downfield pass out of 22 attempts.

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Danny Nelson" <cheesefrog at usa.net> 

> I just read that in a 3-series span, with Marino looking on, the Dolphins' 3 
> QBs were 2-22, with both completions being screens. 
> 
> Maybe I need to rethink my position about QC... 
> 
> ------ Original Message ------ 
> From: Joe garbarino 
> 
> > I think Q got 86ed. 
> > 
> > Garbo...buying a Henne jersey. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Danny Nelson 
> > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:20 PM 
> > To: General Discussion of the Miami Dolphins 
> > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Quincy Carter in Town 
> > 
> > If the "Q" is player #81 on this roster, then I'd say ! that th ey haven't put 
> > together a good enough roster. 
> > 
> > ------ Original Message ------ 
> > From: Joe garbarino 
> > 
> > > Right now, a guy only has to be better than the #80 person in camp. It 
> all 
> > changes when you have to beat out #53. 
> > > 
> > > Garbo...#81 on this list ? 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message----- 
> > > From: L . . . 
> > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:49 AM 
> > > To: General Discussion of the Miami Dolphins 
> > > Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Quincy Carter in Town 
> > > 
> > > yeah - the Brock Berlin role 
> > > 
> > > On 8/1/08, John Murphy wrote: 
> > > > I have to believe that they know there is *0%* chance (short of injury) > > he 
> > > > even makes the team. 
> > > > However, the receivers seem to need a lot of work, they may just need 
> an 
> > arm 
> > > > to throw them a bunch of balls. Every year there is a certain amount 
> of 
> > > > extra camp-fodder brought in; this must just be a case of that. 
> > > > 
> > > > Murf 
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Danny Nelson 
> wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > >> If the current brain trust believes that this team could use Quincy 
> > Carter 
> > > >> in 
> > > >> any capacity, then I have no confidence in Parcells, et al. It's a 
> joke 
> > > >> to 
> > > >> even consider the idea. 
> > > >> 
> > > >> ------ Original ! Message ------ 
> > > >> Received: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:02:09 PM EDT 
> > > >> From: dolfandave at att.net 
> > > >> To: General Discussion of the Miami Dolphins 
> > > >> Subject: Re: DOLPHINS: Quincy Carter in Town 
> > > >> 
> > > >> > I think it's exactly what Sparano said, just keep flipping 
> > stones 
> > > >> over. It's a pretty simple process. You get one guy in and you make a 
> > > >> decision: Are we better with him or without him? Then act upon your 
> > > >> decision. 
> > > >> Keep It Simple Stupid - KISS. I am all for it if we are better with 
> him. 
> > > >> ddave -------------- Original message from Patrick McLaughlin 
> > > >> : -------------- 
> > > >> > 
> > ! > &g t;> > .hmmessage P { mar 
> > 
> > [The entire original message is not included] 
> > 
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