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Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Date: August 16, 2011 05:58AM


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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: SigKash ()
Date: August 16, 2011 06:18AM

Bring in Brady "Freaking" Quinn. At least we will get one of the Broncos QB's!

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: August 16, 2011 06:23AM

I am extremely discouraged to hear this. Not surprised, though. This has been Sparano's M.O. since he came here, and, YES, he's digging his own grave by saying this. I'm so tired of head coaches who hang their hat on the guy they drafted and won't budge from that. THIS is why we haven't found a steady guy since Shula.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/2011 07:25AM by montequi.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Date: August 16, 2011 06:42AM

Exactly. At least say......."I'm encouraged by Moore's play". Lets see if it continue's. The best man will have the Job come the season's opener. Garantee us that and I would give you as much slack as you needed.

But to tell us your going to get us Competition, Purposely avoid any in the draft , and then stand behind him after what he did in that last game?With such a Postive performance by Moore? Did it backfire on him? Did Saprano take Moore because he thought he would offer no Competition and its backfiring on him?

Saprano is either the worst Coach we have had since Shula , or Henne has Pictures of Saprano doing something much worse then collecting and starring in Foot fetish Videos.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: SigKash ()
Date: August 16, 2011 07:07AM

Channing Crowder just said what we all having been saying for years. Henne doesn't have "IT"! That "IT" being the drive to win the game with 2 minutes left and your down by 5.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: August 16, 2011 07:15AM

wasn't the whole mantra by the FO this offseason to bring in a QB to "compete" with Henne? What happended to that? Oh yeah, he blew the competition away with stellar performances in practice and the first preseason game ending all talk to competetion. wait, he didn't?

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: August 16, 2011 07:29AM

In defense of Tony he may be saying this because he has limited faith in Moore due to his prior experience with him. But of course, if that’s the case, then WHY even bring the dude into the mix?

So maybe (in defense part II) Sparano is just trying to shelter the sloth from even more psychological rupture because he MUST know by now Henne is as Henne does – and what he’s done so far reinforces his dominant sloth image.

Therefore we must conclude Tony is doing his best to shunt a locker-room war and subsequent revolt to oust Henne and send him to culinary school. But even if successful, the “reward” for Tony will be yet another turn of the broken record. And when those bad notes hit the field the barbarians will come down like locusts over Sloth Beach.

BNF.



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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: August 16, 2011 12:30PM

If you're gonna freak out about something at least get the facts accurate.

His exact word were....

"I mean I wouldn't say there is a battle RIGHT THIS SECOND....

The writer is injecting his opinion so he has something to write about. Not that Moore will ever get a shot but he didn't say that there won't be competition next week or whatever.

Henne has had the playbook since February....Moore can't run the offense if he only knows 10 plays. Its gonna take more time.

Secondly....it was Larry Izzo not Zach Thomas...wasn't it?

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“I'm here" You're welcome!" - Kenny Powers

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: August 16, 2011 02:01PM

Izzo. You're right

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Date: August 16, 2011 02:54PM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> Izzo. You're right

Either way you get my point. I also remember when Belichik replaced Bledsoe with some unknown 6th rounder.I thought he was nuts, as did many Pats fans. Tony is the Problem here, Not chad Henne. I see that now.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: dolfanmark ()
Date: August 16, 2011 03:06PM

eesti Wrote:
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> If you're gonna freak out about something at least
> get the facts accurate.
>
> His exact word were....
>
> "I mean I wouldn't say there is a battle RIGHT
> THIS SECOND....
>
> The writer is injecting his opinion so he has
> something to write about. Not that Moore will ever
> get a shot but he didn't say that there won't be
> competition next week or whatever.
>
> Henne has had the playbook since February....Moore
> can't run the offense if he only knows 10 plays.
> Its gonna take more time.
>

Moore is heading into his 5th season in this offensive system.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: August 16, 2011 03:13PM

how is this the same offense moore was in? car ran the same system as cleveland the past 5 years?

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: dolfanmark ()
Date: August 16, 2011 03:19PM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> how is this the same offense moore was in? car ran
> the same system as cleveland the past 5 years?


Jeff Davidson was the OC in Carolina. He and Daboll came up through the Patriots' system together, both as disciples of Charlie Weis. Their systems are very similar. This is why Moore was mentioned as a logical signing months ago.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: August 16, 2011 03:28PM

I will agree that Sparano is the problem if he tries to force the issue with a bad qb.

If he makes a switch and it still doesn't work then its on Ireland.

It may be a similar system. I don't know....but I doubt all terminology is the same. I doubt he just stole CWs entire system or Carolinas offense and terminology.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: August 16, 2011 03:38PM

we've got to start the year with henne. as I said before, give him a few games to prove he can be the guy, if not, bench him forever.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Date: August 16, 2011 04:42PM

Why? Why do we need to sacrafice a few games to Let Henne Hang himself? See how he performs the next 2 games. preseason. Thats It. if he continues to throw INTs , bullets that players can't catch, or is just flat and uninspiring , While Moore excelles, let Moore take snaps with the first Team and lets get ready for a Killer season.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: dolfanmark ()
Date: August 16, 2011 04:59PM

eesti Wrote:
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> I will agree that Sparano is the problem if he
> tries to force the issue with a bad qb.
>
> If he makes a switch and it still doesn't work
> then its on Ireland.
>
> It may be a similar system. I don't know....but I
> doubt all terminology is the same. I doubt he just
> stole CWs entire system or Carolinas offense and
> terminology.

There are only a handful of basic offensive systems in the NFL. You have the old school Paul Brown, which we ran under Henning, the Coryell, the Zampese, and the Walsh (west coast). Daboll and Dsvidson come from the Erhardt-Perkins system. Over the years, Belichick has incorporated elements of the spread offense into this basic philosophy, and I think we will see aspects of that, too. Every coordinator has their own nuances, but there are only 5 or 6 basic systems. Matt Moore has played in this base system for four years.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: August 16, 2011 05:31PM

It's stances like that (if true), and his lack of an established O-line (his expertise) that had me backing the Harbaugh pursuit last year. Maybe Tony see's something in Henne (or doesn't in Moore) that would make him say that this early.....but why? Why not at least give Moore a fair shot to win it. If nothing else, give the apperance of a QB competition to keep the disgruntled fan-base happy.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: dolfan1 ()
Date: August 18, 2011 01:02PM

Luckily we will get Luck next year and with a bit more luck a new coach

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: Phinsfan2 ()
Date: August 18, 2011 01:20PM


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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Date: August 18, 2011 02:13PM

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> dolfan1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Luckily we will get Luck next year and with a
> bit
> > more luck a new coach
>
>
> We aren't getting Luck next year.
>
> This isn't a 3 or 4 win team.
>
> We won 7 last year, and we got screwed out of the
> pitt game.
>
> Our team is as good or better at EVERY position
> than it was last year and the Jets are weaker.
>
> This team will win 7-9 games, even with Henne at
> QB.
>
> Start thinking about Landry Jones and Matt Barkley
> and forget about Luck.




Maybe if we are that decent of a team, we give up a few draft picks To move up. Give up 2013's first rounder along with this years 2nd and exchange 3rd rounders. For a Franchise QB thats a bargain.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: August 18, 2011 03:43PM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Maybe if we are that decent of a team, we give up
> a few draft picks To move up. Give up 2013's first
> rounder along with this years 2nd and exchange 3rd
> rounders. For a Franchise QB thats a bargain.

If we win 7 to 9 games, I'm sure we'll have to trade up for Barkley or Jones. The thing that's gonna help us, is that with so many QBs taken early this year, the demand won't be as high next year.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: Phinsfan2 ()
Date: August 18, 2011 04:05PM


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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: August 18, 2011 04:35PM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Why? Why do we need to sacrifice a few games to
> Let Henne Hang himself? See how he performs the
> next 2 games. preseason. Thats It. if he continues
> to throw INTs , bullets that players can't catch,
> or is just flat and uninspiring , While Moore
> excelles, let Moore take snaps with the first Team
> and lets get ready for a Killer season.


Gospel.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: August 18, 2011 04:38PM

if luck is as good as advertised, it's going to take a lot more than a 2d and next years first to trade up to get him. especially with the new rookie salaries. and any team that had the #1 pick most likely would need a QB and would never trade out of the pick.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: August 18, 2011 05:40PM

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> It really depends on who ends up with the top pick
> or even in the top 5 picks.
>
> If they need a QB, we could offer All our draft
> picks this year and next and they won't give up
> the top spot.
>
>
> Of the 14 teams that finished worse than us in the
> standings 7 have invested heavily (high 1st or
> trade) in their current QB:
>
> Carolina...Cam Newton
> Arizona...Kevin Kolb
> Tennessee...Jake Locker
> Jax...Blaine Gabbert
> Houston...Matt Schaub
> Detroit...Matt Stafford
> St. Louis...Sam Bradford
>
> That leaves 10 teams (including us) looking for a
> franchise QB early in next years draft:
>
> Denver
> Buffalo
> Cincy
> Cleveland
> San Fran
> Dallas
> Minnesota
> Washington
> Seattle
>
> and
>
> MIAMI
>
> The fewer of them that finish bellow us in the
> standings the better our chances of moving up if
> someone with a QB gets the top pick.


Didn't Cincy, San Fran and the Vikes all take a QB relatively high this year? You could also argue Denver (Tebow/Orton), Buffalo and Dallas have enough going to not take one too high either.

I guess without knowing how this year plays out it's hard to figure who will need what. I also think that even if Henne has a good year, i'd go all in on the best available QB in next years draft. He's too inconsistent to trust year in and year out.

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Re: Saprano states, "there is NO QB competition........."
Posted by: Phinsfan2 ()
Date: August 18, 2011 06:05PM


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