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Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: July 28, 2011 12:57PM

Chad Johnson? Ocho Sinco? Same person.

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: July 28, 2011 01:09PM

Or should I say...traded to the patsies.

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: Dolphacolyte ()
Date: July 28, 2011 01:32PM

Now that Plax is possibly going back to the Super Bowl losers. What about we get Randy Moss. He may be a nutcase, but is one heck of a wide receiver.Don't worry the Dolphin's organization has sport psychologists.

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: JC ()
Date: July 28, 2011 04:47PM

Dolphacolyte Wrote:
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> Now that Plax is possibly going back to the Super
> Bowl losers. What about we get Randy Moss. He may
> be a nutcase, but is one heck of a wide
> receiver.Don't worry the Dolphin's organization
> has sport psychologists.


He *was* one heck of a wide receiver. He had a massive 28 catches last year...whoop de do.

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: Phins NJ ()
Date: July 28, 2011 04:52PM

Ocho Cinco is washed up. Not worried.

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Posted by: Ken ()
Date: July 28, 2011 08:20PM

Except for the fact he now has a group of players around him that are good, as well as a quarterback that can, and will, get him the ball in a more relaiable fashion than Palmer ever did.

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Date: July 29, 2011 01:39AM

Ocho Cinco can Twitter faster then any other player in the league. He can teach Mallet that Wasup is not really a word.........

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: Jonathan Twilley ()
Date: July 29, 2011 03:03AM

A couple years ago, I said I had no interest in him coming to the Dolphins. I haven't figured out the media's infatuation with him. His brash arrogance is just obnoxious and his middle school humor is not funny. He is ignorant. I can only assume the media isn't laughing with him, but at him instead.

On top of that, his game has declined to a point where he may be the most overrated player in the game. The Patriots aren't getting better, they are signing players with a "me first" mentality. These two are immature and infectious losers.

When Cameron Wake takes Brady out in the first game, watch the Patriots self-disintegrate.

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: July 29, 2011 03:20AM

Jonathan Twilley Wrote:
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> A couple years ago, I said I had no interest in
> him coming to the Dolphins. I haven't figured out
> the media's infatuation with him. His brash
> arrogance is just obnoxious and his middle school
> humor is not funny. He is ignorant. I can only
> assume the media isn't laughing with him, but at
> him instead.


Chad created his own media, they didnt follow him. Chad was portrayed a certain way by the media, then Twitter came along, and Ustream. Chad gave fans an honest portrayal of himself, and shared honestly and openly with fans about everything. I remeber him setting up his camera everynight in Camp showing what it was like in Camp. Him and Chris Henry watching film, etc. Chad gave a view into that lifestyle that no one was willing to do. Chad showed ultimate respect for his fans and viewers like you were in his crew... Chad is brilliant, and no one is laughing at him, Chad has become hugely influential and most players and celebs followed his lead on twitter and ustream..
I have mad respect for how Chad was able to create his brand and create its value, and how he still treats the fans. I am just curious how it is all going to be affected by Bellichick and Patriots policy, the most open man in football just signed with the most tight lipped team in football, should be interesting.... My guess, is that the Ocho CInco show is probably going to go on Hiatus while he plays with the patriots, we shall see...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/29/2011 03:22AM by Crowder52.

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: JC ()
Date: July 29, 2011 03:31AM

Jonathan Twilley Wrote:
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> I can only
> assume the media isn't laughing with him, but at
> him instead.

Locally here in the Boston area, they're kissing his rear end for now, judging from headlines alone---I haven't listened to sports talk radio lately. He'll get out of the 'honeymoon' stage upon his first clash with Bellicheat, because the local media kisses Bellicheat's and Brady's butts at all costs.

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: July 29, 2011 04:00AM

Phins NJ Wrote:
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> Ocho Cinco is washed up. Not worried.


I remember hearing the same thing about Randy Moss when signed with the Patriots from the the Raiders, then he went on to break the all time single season TD receptions records within 9 months... I wouldnt underestimate the impact Ochocinco can have in New England. Especially is they get him focused. He is probably ecstatic about the situation. A happy Chad is probably a dangerous Chad..

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: Phinjim ()
Date: July 29, 2011 10:26AM

Pats have done the best for the least cost for the most upside with the two big moves (Haynesworrth and Johnson)

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Date: July 29, 2011 11:06AM

Phinjim Wrote:
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> Pats have done the best for the least cost for the
> most upside with the two big moves (Haynesworrth
> and Johnson)


Thats how the Pats Roll. Look what they got Brady for. They finally had to pony up and pay him, but for yrs they made out on what was a 6th round draft pick. Belichick is the NFL's best coach of all time. Hands down, my hats off to him.

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: JC ()
Date: July 29, 2011 02:06PM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Belichick is the NFL's best coach of
> all time. Hands down, my hats off to him.


Sorry, but no coach who cheats can be the best coach of all time.
He may be the best of all active coaches, and he may be the best at personnel acquisition and management. But he is not better than Shula or Lombardi. Especially given that he has been caught cheating.

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: July 29, 2011 09:59PM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Ocho Cinco can Twitter faster then any other
> player in the league. He can teach Mallet that
> Wasup is not really a word.........


RESPONSE: No the proper form of the word is "wassup."

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Date: July 30, 2011 12:50AM

JC Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> -----
> > Belichick is the NFL's best coach of
> > all time. Hands down, my hats off to him.
>
>
> Sorry, but no coach who cheats can be the best
> coach of all time.
> He may be the best of all active coaches, and he
> may be the best at personnel acquisition and
> management. But he is not better than Shula or
> Lombardi. Especially given that he has been
> caught cheating.


With all espect to the Great one , Don Shula, Where has he been since 1973? He made a Lucky choice on Dan marino. Thats about it. 22 yrs before that Last championship and his retirement with NOTHING. Gave the greatest passer in the History no support. No running game, no defense. Marino scored 40 points, the opposing team scored 41. 22 yrs!

Sorry. Shula was GREAT from 66-75. He knew nothing about the salary cap, free agency, so many other aspects of the modern game. Belichick is a master of it all, including X's and O's and adapting at halftime to win ballgames.

Not a Pats fan trust me. But I have a great respect for the man. No ncoach in History comes close.

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: July 30, 2011 02:46AM

Bill is a cheater. Bottom line.

Cant be the best, if you cheat.

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: JC ()
Date: July 30, 2011 03:42AM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> JC Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Belichick is the NFL's best coach of
> > > all time. Hands down, my hats off to him.
> >
> >
> > Sorry, but no coach who cheats can be the best
> > coach of all time.
> > He may be the best of all active coaches, and
> he
> > may be the best at personnel acquisition and
> > management. But he is not better than Shula
> or
> > Lombardi. Especially given that he has been
> > caught cheating.
>
>
> With all espect to the Great one , Don Shula,
> Where has he been since 1973? He made a Lucky
> choice on Dan marino. Thats about it. 22 yrs
> before that Last championship and his retirement
> with NOTHING. Gave the greatest passer in the
> History no support. No running game, no defense.
> Marino scored 40 points, the opposing team scored
> 41. 22 yrs!
>
> Sorry. Shula was GREAT from 66-75. He knew
> nothing about the salary cap, free agency, so many
> other aspects of the modern game. Belichick is a
> master of it all, including X's and O's and
> adapting at halftime to win ballgames.
>
> Not a Pats fan trust me. But I have a great
> respect for the man. No ncoach in History comes
> close.

I never accused you of being a Pats fan, lol. that would be an insult of epic proportions.

You just described the difference between a modern day coach and a coach from a previous era. You specified that you thought Bellichick was the best of ALL TIME. I disagree.

Yes, the game changed on Shula later in his career, yet he was able to adapt to his "lucky" choice on Marino and rack up a CRAPLOAD of additional victories.

Bellicheat has coached for 16 years and has about half the number of victories that Shula has. If he can go on for another 15-16 years and remain as successful, without getting caught cheating again, then he'd be a candidate for all-time best coach. Until then, anh-anh.

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Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: July 30, 2011 04:10AM

"lucky" choice? what do you call Brady in the 6th? take away that lucky choice and Bellicheck is a DC somewhere

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Date: July 30, 2011 05:08AM

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Bill is a cheater. Bottom line.
>
> Cant be the best, if you cheat.


Sorry your world is so Black n White. If that helps you diegest all the Championships , have at it. If taping Teams practices was all there was to it , You know you would have alot more competivness going around. Bit more to it...........eye rolling smiley

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Date: July 30, 2011 05:11AM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> "lucky" choice? what do you call Brady in the 6th?
> take away that lucky choice and Bellicheck is a DC
> somewhere



really? At least he took that Lucky choice and ran with it. He didn't let it waste away for 17 seasons with nothing to show for it. He gave him a running game, recievers , special teams, and a defense. If Fat assed Tom Ovildotti played 1 season on the Pats, Belichick would have sent him packing faster then The Pats can get a snow plow on the feild to kick a feild Goal.

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Posted by: Dolphacolyte ()
Date: July 30, 2011 07:33AM

When it comes to the Hoodie coach, it is clear that knows what he is doing. Unfortunately the dark shadow of the Tapegate will always follow him. Agree here with Mr. Treasure to the fact that Shula never gave Dan any supporting cast. As much respect and appreciation we may hold for coach Shula, my goodness he was appalling coming draft day.Too many names to mention here. The Sammy Smith's, Erick Kumerow's, John Bosa's and to close his career with Nobel Prize award category, he selected 25th overall a damaged goods OT by the name of Billy Milner. When JJ came on board next year traded him to the Rams, where he ended with a broken neck. Check his stats to see what I'm talking about. Not long ago I went back to the stats of Super bowl 19. We all know how that one ended. I tell you, if it was by today's owners standards that Monday 21, I'm certain he would have been shown his walking papers. Remember the sport pundits back in '92 after the loss to Buffalo: "The game has just passed him by". Actually that had already taken place in '73. Super Bowl record as coach 2-4. Rest my case.

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Date: July 30, 2011 08:05AM


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Posted by: realist ()
Date: July 30, 2011 08:20AM

Belicheck is just as lucky.

Brady was drafted in the 6th round!

Belcheat has had a starting Franchise QB since 2002, and has has yet to compliment him with a dominant RB. he has tried an failed.

He has exchanged valuable picks for short term high output vets.

He inherited a Bill Parcells assembled defense with Wille McGinnest, Ty Law, Ted Johnson, Teddy Bruschi, Lawyer Milloy, Chris Slade.

Its no wonder he had the luxury of trading and collecting picks. He had so much talent on his roster he wasn't in a bind to find playmakers. he could barely afford to keep all the ones he had.

Shula was fortunate to get Marino...but he had already taken 2 teams to the Superbowl, and won undefeated .....before he lucked out with Dan.

Free agency happened during his career...it definitely changed the coaching dynamic. Belicheat got to be an assistant through that and saw how to adapt.


I can't wait till Brady's twilight arrives ( almost here folks)...I want to see how much of a genius he is when he has to find another Hall-of-famer QB.

I hope the Pats fans enjoy the next 2-3 years...the window is slamming shut!

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Date: July 30, 2011 09:03AM

The Pats did Fine the year Brady was out. (2008) They still went 11-5 . Belichick knows what he is doing and is the Master of adapting to whatever comes his way. Matt Cassel hasn't done as well after leaving the Pats and Belichick.

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Posted by: Jonathan Twilley ()
Date: July 30, 2011 09:40AM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> The Pats did Fine the year Brady was out. (2008)
> They still went 11-5 . Belichick knows what he is
> doing and is the Master of adapting to whatever
> comes his way. Matt Cassel hasn't done as well
> after leaving the Pats and Belichick.


Matt Cassell was awesome last year.

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Posted by: JC ()
Date: July 30, 2011 10:10AM

Jonathan Twilley Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> > The Pats did Fine the year Brady was out.
> (2008)
> > They still went 11-5 . Belichick knows what he
> is
> > doing and is the Master of adapting to whatever
> > comes his way. Matt Cassel hasn't done as well
> > after leaving the Pats and Belichick.
>
>
> Matt Cassell was awesome last year.


Yep, TD:INT ratio was almost 4:1, QB rating in the 90s and over 3K yards. Not bad!

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Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: July 30, 2011 01:37PM

I actually think that you guys are missing the real big piece of this so-called puzzle.

The masterming behind the Brady pick and the Matt Cassell pick was none other than one, Scott Pioli.

Scott Pioli is a genius, and is now showing his stuff off in Kansas City.

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Re: Ocho Sinco signs with Patsies...
Posted by: Phinsfan2 ()
Date: July 30, 2011 02:22PM


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Date: July 30, 2011 04:16PM

Phinsfan2 Wrote:
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> I just can't bring myself to call anyone
> a mastermind for drafting a HOF QB in the 6th
> round.
>
> If he was so damn smart, he'd have taken him in
> the first round and not given other teams 180
> shots at stealing him away.



Anyone can aquire a Great QB , the draft is all Pot luck and you know it.

But getting them to as many Champoinships and creating a Dynasty is THIS day and age of free agency deserves all the acolades no matter how much it kills you all to say it.

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