Vick and Rodgers were better fantasy QB's than Rivers and Orton...just sayin.

---------------------

"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

eesti Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It would be great if Denver would part with Orton
> for a 3rd but unlikely. He is better than Kolb and
> Philly is asking at least a second for him.
>
> There is no argument against Orton unless you
> totally ignore his production. I followed him
> closely last year through fantasy football and he
> was awesome with only a rookie WR, Gafney, Eddie
> Royal and Brandon Lloyd. Royal missed 6 games.
>
> You have to be completely blind to say Orton
> sucks.
>
> He was tearing it up last year until he got hurt.
> I had the top two QB's in fantasy. Rivers and
> Orton and Orton just sat on the bench with 25
> points a week.
>
> You can't even compare completion percentage to
> Henne b/c he was captain check down and Orton was
> winging the ball downfield. 7 games with over 295
> yards, 5 over 300 and one game with 476 yards.

This isn't fantasy football, though. I bet Matt Cassell did GREAT in fantasy football the year he started for NE. How about Carson Palmer a few years ago? Tommy Maddox that one great year in Pitt?

eesti Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It would be great if Denver would part with Orton
> for a 3rd but unlikely. He is better than Kolb and
> Philly is asking at least a second for him.
>
> There is no argument against Orton unless you
> totally ignore his production. I followed him
> closely last year through fantasy football and he
> was awesome with only a rookie WR, Gafney, Eddie
> Royal and Brandon Lloyd. Royal missed 6 games.
>
> You have to be completely blind to say Orton
> sucks.
>
> He was tearing it up last year until he got hurt.
> I had the top two QB's in fantasy. Rivers and
> Orton and Orton just sat on the bench with 25
> points a week.
>
> You can't even compare completion percentage to
> Henne b/c he was captain check down and Orton was
> winging the ball downfield. 7 games with over 295
> yards, 5 over 300 and one game with 476 yards.


Career yards per attempt

Henne 6.6
Orton 6.5


Henne has played in 32 games in 3 years. Orton played in 33 games in his first 4 years. Comparing them at the same point in their careers:

Completion %- Henne 61.1, Orton 55.5
TD/INT- Henne 27/33, Orton 30/27
Yds/Att- Henne 6.6, Orton 5.8

How sure is everyone that Denver will even be willing to trade Orton? Are they really ready to put the fate of their team in the hands of a guy that only started 3 games last year? I could see them starting Tebow, but wouldn't they want Orton as insurance just in case? Unless Denver admits they're in full rebuilding mode, which I'm not sure they have, there's a decent chance they keep Orton around one more year.

What's Orton's injury status? Frankly, I can't even remember what his injury was.

His first 10 games were a collective work of art, but his last 2 before he got shelved for the final 3 games were disasters.

If we're getting a healthy Orton, I could see giving a 3rd and maybe even a player like Merling to sweeten the deal for their atrocious D.

montequi Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> How sure is everyone that Denver will even be
> willing to trade Orton? Are they really ready to
> put the fate of their team in the hands of a guy
> that only started 3 games last year? I could see
> them starting Tebow, but wouldn't they want Orton
> as insurance just in case? Unless Denver admits
> they're in full rebuilding mode, which I'm not
> sure they have, there's a decent chance they keep
> Orton around one more year.

Orton will be in Denver at least through most of the preseason. The only way he leaves is if Tebow beats him out and at this stage I don't see that happening.
This from both Fox and Elway, todays Denver Post.

I don't necessarily disagree, it depends on what he would cost us. But I do think we need to identify the guy we want and go get him.

Rick

This is also my impression of Orton.

Rick