At 5 and 4, I don't see how you can "shut it down." Thigpen's mobility helps if Long is out. I would assume that if Jake can't go, they'll move Carey to LT, and play a combination of McQuistan and Murtha at RT. Huge downgrade on both sides but, in the words of Herm Edwards, you play to win the game. Jake is a tough guy, so I'm not ready to count him out just yet.

I just think losing our best player (best LT in the league!!) as well as our top 2 QBs is devastating (and our top pass rusher is hobbled as well). I'm never a proponent of losing on purpose, but I could see us doing things now (calling certain plays, playing rookies) that we wouldn't do if we were truly in the playoff hunt. We showed that in the Titans game. I see it as a form of experimentation, where evaluation of your talent and team (including coaches) takes precedence over winning.



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He’s already had shoulder surgery and had a history of that in college (not many know about but he let it slip last summer in an interview). I don’t know if it was R or L but this (a recurrence) is bad news for the future of his career.

IMO they souldn't jepordize his career for the sake of this season because we're not going anywhere anyway. But of course the regime is trying to save itself so they'll push him to play IMO.



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I think the experimentation was more a by-product of injuries. Clemons was dinged up and Reshad Jones was told he would get some reps. Quenton Moses was in because Cam Wake was hurt. I refuse to believe that a team of professionals would play for anything less than victory. From what I understand, Cam is hurting but ok. Jake may try to tough it out. Henne could come back soon, but may have the luxury of resting if Thigpen plays well. Playoffs may be a remote possibility but in addition to improving the overall talent of a team, you have to also change the culture. Miami hasn't won a playoff game since I believe they beat the Colts in the game where Lamar Smith had over 200 yards in overtime. Winning breeds confidence and more winning. We have a lot of younger players on the team that need to learn how to win.

I hope he doesnt play this game
It's not worth risking the next 10 years for 1 game
Let him rest 1 game

With a history of shoulder surgeries going back into college and now in the Pro’s I’d say a 10-year career may not be in the cards anyway.

This reminds me too much of Odricks broken leg and this teams absolute love affair with BIG MEN. Bigger may be better but guys that break down are not that valuable long term. IMO we need to pay attention to injury history a bit more in our draft analysis.



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I don't know what your point is, BNF...

My point is ignoring injuries in college that have reoccurred in the Pros. Specifically 2 or this regimes 3 number one’s drafted.

Case #1: Jake Long – Shoulder History and Surgery in college.

Case 2: Odrick – broken leg with steel rod in college.

Do you SEE a pattern here? I certainly do and I don’t like it.

No.

I don't see a pattern...not yet.

You selected two arbitrary players...it isn't a pattern unless you can show that we consistently draft players with histories of injuries.

Then compare that to players that other teams draft.

Plus, this is football. Injuries happen all the time. I don't think there is a single player who HASN'T been hurt at some point.

Wow... You're right, there's no pattern in drfating 2 out of 3 #1's with injury concerns and surgeries in college who broke down with the SAME ISSUE in the Pro's.

Seriously???

Big Nasty, I agree with you. I also see a pattern of certain posters to disagree with you or agree with you no matter what facts you present.

Yea, I sees that one too. What are there a bunch of kids on here?

I love the TEAM not the regime nor its numerous mistakes, but I think some of those rascals actually post on here defending their decisions and such. That or relatives...

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Yes there is a bunch of kids on here JC isnt one of them though.

Yes we need to let long get the surgery and heal up in time for training camp.

No need to further do it now and waste the future service's of the best LT in the league.

If you are a scientist and you have 25 samples of something and you only present two of them to a committee and try to tell them you detect some sort of pattern, they'd tell you to go back to your lab and test all the samples then come back with real results.

Same thing applies here...if you're trying to make an argument then cover your bases.

I'm not disagreeing just to disagree...go look at all of the guys we drafted and then let us know if they had histories of injuries and are/were hurt in the NFL.

You may very well be right about this, but by only citing two arbitrary examples, you just don't have much of an argument.

Futt you make a good point.

#1's are NOT "arbitrary" IMO. And how many "samples" of no. 1 picks does it take to form a viable deduction?

Perhaps and consider, maybe we cut Cam and Co. too soon by your measure? I mean 1 single season can't be a viable sample either.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with holding this regime accountable, and others have put forth a series of questions regarding their moves that cut to issue as well. I just think it's entirely relevant to question drafting BIG DUDES #1 who have legit injury issues. Sure you can get lucky once in a while but I don't think the percentages are good with injury histories -- and when the SAME issue in college reappears in the Pros, well that is a BIG FLAG to me!

Now getting back to Jake, the kid is tuff but should we put him on the field with a injury? This isn't like a bruise or muscle pull. If he ruins that shoulder his CAREER IS OVER! They knew his history when they drafted him and now they need to cut the shit and get it fixed and hope that's the end of it. To put him in jeopardy is negligence IMO (if indeed the injury runs the risk I’m talking about).

And just to make it perfectly clear. I vote to give this regime one more season to pull things together. But I want the QB position underscored as THE NO1 PRIORITY, a NEW OC who is a QB maven, and more openess and transparency in the way they operate.

That's my hope.

So basically you have no argument and just wanted to rant. If so that's fine...I'm all for it...just want to be clear on where you stand.

Just curious BigNasty, are you saying Long was a bad pick?

sorry, can someone point to anything anywhere that said long was an injury risk? I never heard that before the draft or at any time other than this board following the titan's game. he's never been hurt for us to this point and as far as I know wasn't injury prone in college.

that said wasn't an injured labrum justin smiley's injury? if so that's bad news, he never was able to shake that.

Berkeley you have a point I mean I never looked into it, but never was pointed out that he is injury prone, jus that didnt he fall out of a building in college?

But, Justin Smiley wasnt able to shake any injury.

The injury bug never left Smiley, he was always hurt. He definately did have a past injury risk.

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right, but maybe a labrum injury like the one long has is one you just don't shake if you are a OL. man I hope not that would suck big time!

Yeah, Jake Long is on his way to being a Hall of Famer and going down as one of the greatest left tackles to ever play the game.

He is undeniably, by far and away, our best player.

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