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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Date: January 15, 2021 04:01AM

808phan Wrote:
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> Watson's whining isn't a good fit for the
> Dolphins' locker room. I believe Miami has enough
> leverage to trade up for the #1 overall pick to
> get Lawrence if they really want to but they
> won't. I think they'll build around Tua, that's
> the vibe I'm getting when I read what Flores says.
> I'd be happy getting Smith at #3, this team needs
> a legit #1 WR and I think Tua could flourish with
> him on the roster.




)))))))))))))sarcastic((((((((((

I read TUA said get him Devonte Smith or he wants a trade. He demanded to be in the war room during the draft.....


grinning smiley F Watson.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: Grimey13 ()
Date: January 15, 2021 04:11AM

astro34 Wrote:
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> Samsam.... while I like Smith at WR I think
> Ja'Marr Chase is a better overall receiver because
> he is willing to block and still has great WR
> skills. I think any of the top 3 WR will be
> excellent pros.
>
> Moving on to the drafting offensive linemen. Any
> statement about comparing an average Marino line
> to every other QB line is foolish at best because
> he had the fastest release in football, and yes HE
> didn't need a great line. If we had Marino at QB I
> would agree , but we don't. I truly believe a
> great line can make an average QB and RB look
> great. And not the other way around. I do get
> what you are saying, I am just saying we have to
> get the talented QB first, and I do hope it is
> Tua, if not we better have a great line.
>
> A perfect example is Dallas. Dak and Ezekel
> looked great their first year because of the best
> line in football. When the line started to fall
> apart they just look like average players.


Astro, you stated exactly what I was thinking. Look at Dallas now that their line isn't what it was 4 years ago. No one talks about Zek the way they did when he first was drafted. He had one of the best lines ever for his first 2 years.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Date: January 15, 2021 04:43AM

808phan Wrote:
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> Watson's whining isn't a good fit for the
> Dolphins' locker room. I believe Miami has enough
> leverage to trade up for the #1 overall pick to
> get Lawrence if they really want to but they
> won't. I think they'll build around Tua, that's
> the vibe I'm getting when I read what Flores says.
> I'd be happy getting Smith at #3, this team needs
> a legit #1 WR and I think Tua could flourish with
> him on the roster.




)))))))))))))sarcastic((((((((((

I read TUA said get him Devonte Smith or he wants a trade. He demanded to be in the war room during the draft.....


grinning smiley F Watson and every primadona like him.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: January 15, 2021 04:50AM

Yeah tcpf since you in love with big fat olinemen...let draft 6 or even 7 of them.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: astro34 ()
Date: January 15, 2021 06:13AM

I never got that vibe out of Tua.... think that is some made up stuff.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Date: January 15, 2021 01:07PM

astro34 Wrote:
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> I never got that vibe out of Tua.... think that is
> some made up stuff.


Absolutely! I made that up because alot can be said for a good attitude and a team first mentality. TUA has that in spades. Enough to deserve a chance to put this awful 2020 season behind him with no team practices or pre season and a chance to prove himself with a bunch of new talent around him .

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: 808phan ()
Date: January 17, 2021 06:47PM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> 808phan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Watson's whining isn't a good fit for the
> > Dolphins' locker room. I believe Miami has
> enough
> > leverage to trade up for the #1 overall pick to
> > get Lawrence if they really want to but they
> > won't. I think they'll build around Tua, that's
> > the vibe I'm getting when I read what Flores
> says.
> > I'd be happy getting Smith at #3, this team
> needs
> > a legit #1 WR and I think Tua could flourish
> with
> > him on the roster.
>
>
>
>
> )))))))))))))sarcastic((((((((((
>
> I read TUA said get him Devonte Smith or he wants
> a trade. He demanded to be in the war room during
> the draft.....
>
>
> grinning smiley F Watson and every primadona like him.


If we sell the house and barn for a Watson trade, we'll still have to improve the supporting cast of receivers and backs along with depth on the OL. So aside from his attitude I'm against this trade for Watson because it'll hold this team back in other areas of need.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Date: January 18, 2021 04:17AM

Hurt or betrayed? Sorry this isn't summer camp and he was given one of the biggest contracts in NFL history. He needs to STFU and man up. HES betraying Texas and those fans .

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: Hooligan2 ()
Date: January 18, 2021 05:02AM

There's 3 or 4 very solid QB prospects in the draft. With Fitz probably not coming back it would be wise to draft a QB. Not somebody to hold a clipboard from the later rounds but someone to actually compete with Tua. Having two good QBs is not a bad thing and there is some history to support the move.
Some of you may recall when Jimmy Johnson first went to Dallas he drafted Aikman. Then he surprised everybody by drafting Steve Walsh #2 overall. After a year when Aikman finally won the starting job, Walsh was traded to The Saints for a 1st and a 3rd.
Tua DOES NOT have that "can't miss" label, not by a long shot.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: January 19, 2021 03:11AM

If we can get Watson for Tua the #3 and Jones we should do it. Qb, swap and big contract swap. Watson is tired of the incompetence in HOU. Its business Andre Johnson called playing for the organization 'a career killer'. JJ Watts is in his corner, that is enough for me.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: astro34 ()
Date: January 19, 2021 04:17AM

I say don't trade for Watson using draft picks. It took to much to get the draft capitol we have to just throw it away.

I would be open to drafting Fields at #3 or as Mizzou15 said trading Tua and Jones for Watson.

Just ran a simulated draft and here are the results.

#18 Kwit Paye Edge Michigan
#19 Najee Harris RB Alabama
#36 Rondale Moore WR Purdue
#59 Landon Dickerson C Alabama
#81 Jaylen Twyman DT Pittsburgh
#103 Aashari Crosswell S Arizona St
#115 Adrian Ealy OT Oklahoma
#167 Darius Stills DT West Virginia
and
2022 Carolina 1st
2022 Washington 1st
2022 Cincinnati 4th

Yes I traded back twice in the first round, first with Carolina then with Washington....I filled needs and added more draft capitol for next year

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: tsstamper ()
Date: January 19, 2021 05:39AM

I hadn't thought about trading Watson from the Texans' perspective. They project to be about $18M over the cap in 2021 as it currently stands.

If they trade him before June 1 and don't designate him a post-June 1 trade, they lose another $5.66M from their salary cap space. If they designate him post June 1, they gain over $10M, so maybe that's what they'd do.

Byron Jones' cap hit is $16.1M in 2021, and of that, $14M is his guaranteed salary and the rest is bonus already paid, so my guess is their cap hit would be $14M for him.

I'm sure the capologists would be able to make it work somehow, but it's not as attractive as picks, financially. That said - early 1st rounders are still expensive with #3 overall last year being about $8M/yr.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: January 19, 2021 09:22AM

I say do not trade for Watkins.

Number 1, his contract is too high. Number 2, Miami needs those draft picks to help upgrade and also fill the holes. 3. Not sure if Flores would be willing to bring Watson's attitude to Miami. Something doesn't go his way, and Watson is off to the races.

Flores has a good thing going; don't spoil it.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Date: January 19, 2021 09:22PM

I have to admit.....when I first heard this I thought it was just a crybaby tantrum.

Still do.....but it may actually be happening. Some pretty legit sources have said Watson won't ever play another down in Texas.

The Jets have offered everything but the kitchen sink. This makes the most sense for the Texans they get a boatload picks, a chance at another QB and Sam Darnold.

The thing is.....its not up to them. Watson has a no trade clause. Which means he decides where he wants to go. Texans have to agree.

He doesn't want anything to do with the Jets. (No one does). Reportedly Miami is his agenda.

This could be more then just off season fodder.....

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: January 20, 2021 04:05AM

Ahhh....you are getting on the watson bandwagon tcpf. Looks like anyways.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Date: January 20, 2021 04:39AM

Absolutely not.

But before it just sounded like off season rumors. But some pretty legit sources are saying he wants out...just a matter of where.

I don't like the contract. That gonna hog tie us , and they want way too much, players and draft picks. Hell no.

TUA our # 3 , and next years #1. That's 3 #1 ,picks. That's it. AND WATSON has to agree to restructuring his contract over time .

Other wise.....he can blow us.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/20/2021 07:10AM by TreasurecoastPhinsfan.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: January 20, 2021 06:45AM

We will offer a reasonable trade on our side i guess....If they dont take it....We build around tua...

They are the ones in trouble with him...not us.

We are on the drivers seat....They might take whatever we offer becuase they are desperate right now.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Date: January 20, 2021 07:15AM

Sam that might be the most level headed and intelligent reply I've heard you say! Looks like your coming around!!

This does appear to be more then the watercooler rumor mill though.thumbs up

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: January 20, 2021 09:48AM

See TCPF we can agree on some things....

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Date: January 20, 2021 11:00AM

Absolutely. We both want the same thing.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: 808phan ()
Date: January 22, 2021 07:32AM

I just read that several league sources are reporting that the Texans wouldn't be interested in Tua as part of a trade deal. What that means is that if Miami really wants Watson it would probably require this years two firsts and next year's first round pick.

So 3 1st round picks? LOL Sorry but that is too much. No 1sts for two years isn't worth it IMO. If the Dolphins really want another QB that bad then draft another one this year.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: January 22, 2021 07:44AM

808phan Wrote:
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> I just read that several league sources are
> reporting that the Texans wouldn't be interested
> in Tua as part of a trade deal. What that means is
> that if Miami really wants Watson it would
> probably require this years two firsts and next
> year's first round pick.
>
> So 3 1st round picks? LOL Sorry but that is too
> much. No 1sts for two years isn't worth it IMO. If
> the Dolphins really want another QB that bad then
> draft another one this year.

***************************************************

Not only Miami's 3 first round picks, but I have read that Houston would want Howard as part of that deal.

As I said in an earlier post, Watson isn't the answer for Miami to get to the playoffs; they must get some immediate starters, at the least. Miami has too many holes that they need to fill.

Watson is a good QB, not doubting that, but his contract, along with the picks/players, would kill Miami's chances of getting a couple of blue chippers that can help Miami immediately.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: January 22, 2021 07:50AM

Hey folks look at the 4 teams still alive in the playoffs qbs..

Allen , rodgers, brady and maholmes...

Capkoi that should give you an idea what we need to go deep in the playoffs...

Not too hard to understand.

Twist it any way you guys want...

But the answer is right in front of yall.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/22/2021 08:52AM by samsam3738.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: astro34 ()
Date: January 22, 2021 09:17AM

Total QBR this year

1 Aaron Rodgers GB *
2 Patrick Mahomes KC *
3 Josh Allen BUF *
4 Ryan Tannehill TEN
5 Ryan Fitzpatrick MIA *****
6 Drew Brees NO
7 Lamar Jackson BAL
8 Russell Wilson SEA
9 Tom Brady TB *
10 Baker Mayfield CLE
11 Derek Carr LV
12 Deshaun Watson HOU
13 Justin Herbert LAC
14 Kyler Murray ARI

This both makes your point and goes against it Samsam. 1,2,3,& 9 are still in the playoffs. Our guy is 5 and we missed it. Yes you need very good QB to win it all. But it takes a lot more than a great QB.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: January 22, 2021 10:39AM

Sorry but i disagree...the qbs i mention are 4 of the best in the nfl....thats what matters.

The rating has a a lot to do with different things....when tannehill was here he got a lot of yards in garbage time and kept the ball until he got sacked and didnt throw ints because of that....so ratings dont matter much.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Date: January 22, 2021 12:55PM

Dan Marino was the best rated QB every year.

John Elway won 2 Superbowls on the back of his RB Terrell Davis.

Every team in the playoffs has a great QB becuase they have an oline that blocks , let's plays develop and a defense that's protects the scores.

Sam you can't simplify Football to one position. There is a reason Miami hasn't won in almost 48 yrs. Alot more to it then just a great QB.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: January 22, 2021 05:57PM

But its no coincidence the 4 remaining teams have probably the top 4 qbs in this league.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Date: January 22, 2021 08:14PM

Do they?

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: January 24, 2021 10:48AM

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> No he is not. Watson is a true proffesional.
>
> Teams cant go making promisses they cant keep.
>
> These are grown men and deserve respect.


RE: He's a true malcontent. Sure people deserve respect but respect is never demanded. Instead its earned. People need to understand a lot more often where there lane is, and stay in it.

And how do we know that Watson was not asked who he wanted for GM? Because he said so? Maybe he was, and the team didn't like his suggestion. He was asked who he wanted to be the head coach, that's been reported and he wanted Biennemy, Now they are trying to hire him he says it wont matter....he's just selfish, spoiled and feels entitled.

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Re: Deshaun watson might want to be traded.
Posted by: 808phan ()
Date: January 24, 2021 03:14PM

I just read that Watson's #1 preference to play for is the Jets. lol

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