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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: March 30, 2020 03:46PM

And I'm not asking you to do anything that I didn't do myself.

I am a Miami Dolphin fan because when Bob Griese graduated from Purdue, he became a Dolphin and I became a Dolphin fan.

Since you obviously love Tannehill so much, it follows that you should follow him to Tennessee like I followed Griese to Miami.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Date: March 30, 2020 05:29PM

Nah. You said he sucked. He left and went on to greatness like I said he would. That drives you nuts so you rationalize it anyway you can rather then just man up and say I was wrong.

Purdue sucks. And Bob Griese was never that great. He was an adequate game manager . The 72,73 TEAM WAS GREAT He didnt even play half of the perfect season. I think it's you that needs to move on. Tannehill is still relavant to this club. We need to make sure our next QB whoever it is , doesnt get bogged down behind a bad oline, no running game , and some good defense.....not to mention a revolving door of Offensive players and coaches

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Date: March 30, 2020 10:36PM

Hey.... how about Jordon Love at #18?
6'4" 225. Not a starter yet but Tons of potential ..........

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: jsm08 ()
Date: March 31, 2020 01:54AM

I'd rather get Jordan Love at 18 than Herbert at 5.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Date: March 31, 2020 05:11AM

jsm08 Wrote:
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> I'd rather get Jordan Love at 18 than Herbert at
> 5.

YES. I used to rate Herbert as my #3 in the draft.......but watching him closely He seems to have a cannon arm , but not always accurate and he makes bad decisions when under pressure.Big and strong ....not very smart.

Love has more upside......I definitely "Like" him......but it could turn out to be "love" at some point....decent value at #18.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: jlyell13 ()
Date: April 01, 2020 08:09AM

Don't think Love will be avail at 18

Is he better than Hurts, Fromm or Gordon? High risk, high reward

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Date: April 01, 2020 12:23PM

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> Is he better than Hurts, Fromm or Gordon? High
> risk, high reward


No bigger risk then Tua. Is he Drew Breeze 2020?

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: cedaphins ()
Date: April 02, 2020 04:29PM

Tua was at Alabama 3 years. He had an injury every year there. 2 ankles surgeries, a knee issue, nasal fracture and his hip. If that is not a red flag on a qb I dont know what is. Tua is the latest version of Bradford out of Oklahoma. He played great for a few games then hurt again. That went on through his entire career. We dont need that.
Trade up for Burrows or draft Herbert at 5 or draft Thomas LT at 5.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Date: April 02, 2020 05:56PM

Let me be clear.....I am NOT advocating drafting TUA! I was against it before the hip injury .Hes damaged goods.

However with so many experts stating he is going to Miami at #5 I just said, with so many draft picks , I can see the risk /:reward .

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 02, 2020 06:07PM

Re: The QB conundrum and draft new

Posted by: TreasurecoastPhinsfan

Date: April 02, 2020 06:56PM


Let me be clear.....I am NOT advocating drafting TUA

RESPONSE: This is you trying to have it both ways.

If we take Tua and it turns out to be a disaster, you'll say you were against it all along.

If we don't draft Tua and he turns out to be great, you'll say that you told us that we needed to draft him.

Me? I'm clear. I don't like his injury. I say don't draft him BUT...DO DRAFT A DIFFERENT QUARTERBACK WITH OUR HIGH FIRST ROUND PICK.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: jlyell13 ()
Date: April 04, 2020 06:10PM

Very interesting , checked out Hurts tape and stats , very similar, even better than, Russell Wilsons at Wisconsin. Another that dropped like 6th QB taken Phins took Tannehill after like 18 college games at QB. ☹

I would consider him at 18 over Herbert, Love and maybe an injured Tua. Could drop with carolina or vegas and get a QB OL RB and another first for OL or top Safety. Hurts like Brady Marino, Lamar and Russell has a chip on his shoulder that always lights a fire



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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 04, 2020 07:03PM

Bleacher has us taking Tua. I wouldn't.

I'd take Simmons, Hurt, Fromm, or Herbert instead.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Date: April 04, 2020 08:11PM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Bleacher has us taking Tua. I wouldn't.
>
> I'd take Simmons, Hurt, Fromm, or Herbert instead.


I mean this in the most non confrontational way......You do know that Simmons is an outside Linebacker correct? Just asking because I'm curious to see if you changed your stance on #5 having to be a QB?

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 04, 2020 09:46PM

Not necessarily in that order.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Date: April 04, 2020 10:44PM

So you wouldnt want Simmons at #5?

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: cedaphins ()
Date: April 05, 2020 07:28AM

If we dont take a QB at 5 then we should take LT A. Thomas at 18 take S X. McKinney and at 26 I. Wilson. O-Line would be set for years to come and the back end of the D is set also for years to come.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: jlyell13 ()
Date: April 05, 2020 08:15AM

Tradedown

so much like the 2012 draft

Jags 9 and 20
Raiders 12 and 19

could land

Wills, Jones , Jackson, or Bechton Top OL 1
Hurts Biggest dynamic QBThreat
Cesar Ruiz Top OL 2
Jeremy Chinn 4.4 Kam Chancellor Ronnie Lott like Hammer safety

Swift Taylor or Dobbins Top 3 RB
Logan Stenberg Top OL 3 Major OL rebuild


KJ Hamler Tyler Johnson Gandy Golden WR big play threat

Akers Dillon Moss, Benjamin , Kelly Top 10 RB Rebuilt backfield and offense

Luc Barqoo big athletic CB

Darrion Daniels Nick Coe Broderick Washington DL depth
Jordon Mack late LB value

Juwon Johnson Dez Patmon late round WR value

Essang Bassey Kindle Vildor Tanner Muse, Julian Blackmon secondary depth



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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 05, 2020 11:59AM

Chren if simmons lasts until 5 pick and we dont take him he probably goes 6 or 7th he is a stud.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Date: April 05, 2020 12:43PM

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Chren if simmons lasts until 5 pick and we dont
> take him he probably goes 6 or 7th he is a stud.


Have you been keeping up with the free agent additions? 3 new linebackers including Van Noy not 2 mention 2 DE , a DT, safety.....If Simmons is available at #5 I will bet the house we trade it to someone who needs a Linebacker. Our first round #5 will be an offensive player if we keep it.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: jlyell13 ()
Date: April 05, 2020 04:44PM

yeah dont need Simmons at five would go OL or trade down. Carolina needs an LB could they be forced to trade to 5 to get him before raiders try to trade up to replace Mack?

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Date: April 05, 2020 07:59PM

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> yeah dont need Simmons at five would go OL or
> trade down. Carolina needs an LB could they be
> forced to trade to 5 to get him before raiders
> try to trade up to replace Mack?


Now that's a solid draft strategy! And very probable if we dont make a deal on Burrows and Tua's gone by #5.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 06, 2020 05:02AM

Nobody knows what the dolphins are thinking.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: jsm08 ()
Date: April 07, 2020 12:19AM

This team still has holes everywhere. We're in the first offseason of a complete rebuild.

If there's a flurry of trades to get QBs and simmons is there at 5 you don't pass him over because of a need at another postion. We did that with Luke Keuchly. You especially don't do it to pick Justin Herbert.

The giants could have taken josh allen at 6 and daniel jones at 17. They reached for jones. I don't want to see us make the same mistake.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 07, 2020 07:23AM

Imo simmons is as sure thing as burrows is.

From what ive seen and read simmons is sideline to sideline and i wouldnt mind if we get him with the 5th pick in the first round.

He has the size and speed also to bulk up and be close to ray lewis or zach thomas type player.

Imo he will one of the best players out of this draft.

He was everywhere in the field of play.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 07, 2020 07:31AM

1..i wanted brees

2. I wanted matt ryan

3. I wanted rodgers

4. I wanted brady quinn big miss iam not perfect.

5. I wanted devante parker and we got him. Took a while to develop plus injuries but tell me he isnt a talent?

Now write me up for wanting simmons with 5th pick overall.

We will soon how he develops if god permits.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 07, 2020 07:37AM

Devante parker is the first time we take a player who i truly wanted in the first round.


The only thing that can stop him is injuries.

Fitspatrick is the first talented qb who parker ever had throwing to him.

And we all saw glimpses of greatness from parker when they connected...on some incredible plays.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 07, 2020 07:46AM

Too bad fitspatrick has maybe one or two years left.

Since marino we havent had a qb with balls to step in the pocket and deliver the rock right before he gets hit.

Until fitspatrick bacame a phins.

Fitspatrick has a set of balls just like danny did.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: April 07, 2020 10:28AM

I would take Simmons over injury prone Tua and Rosen like Herbert. With Simmon/Howard/Baker/Jones/Rowe and McCain we would have one of the best coverage back 7 in the league. Simmons is arguably an upgrade over Van Noy and Lawson. Lawson can move to the DL, Van Not to SLB and Simmons settles in at WLB.

I want my cake and eat it to so I would trade #18 and 26 to climb back into the top and grab Becton.

Finish off w/
2 Cushenberry C LSU
2 Hurts QB OK Trade up PIT #39 #153 #154
3 Phillips OL MS ST
4 Gibson ATH MEM Trade up #141 #185
5 Weaver ILB CAL
7 Roy DL BAYL
7 Hasty RB BAYL
7 Lewerke QB MI ST

We walk away with the #1 LB #1 T #1 center in the draft.
Hurts sits and learns from Fritz and pushes Rosen to raise his game.
Phillips is strong and nasty like Becton and Cush. Gibson is multi talented on O. Weaver at times reminded me of John Offerdahl. Like Becton he is just an old school kind of player.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 07, 2020 01:05PM

Quote..Simmons is arguably an upgrade over Van Noy and Lawson.

Exactly.

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Re: The QB conundrum and draft
Posted by: jlyell13 ()
Date: April 08, 2020 06:14AM

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Hopefully whoever qb we draft has more dan marino
> talent than tannehill talent.

TCPF posted

I agree .
Only QB that has come close to that kind of field vision, quick release and accuracy is Patrick Mahomes. Next yrs projected #1 Trevor Lawrence is one of the most highly rated quarterback recruits ever, with multiple recruiting experts calling him a "once in a generation" type of player. If You want" Marino" that would be a good place to start.

This yr Burrows and Tua are the only polished enough players to start and TUA is a leap of faith. Grabbing "any QB" will just get you Rosen 2020.



I think we all agree . Hopefully DM13 can help identify talent that Elway hasnt been able to

but nobody knows which QB will be legit or busts

This draft looks a lot like 2012 and Hurts stats and game a whole lot like Russell Wilson at Wisconsin and has that chip on his shoulder . Remember Lamar?

I would drop pick up a pick or 2 and take Hurts or Love and 3 OL, Top RB Safety

Chinn a Ronnie Lott Chancellor like safety. Atwaters nephew sleeper.

Jeremiah had Love to the Pack

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