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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: astro34 ()
Date: March 09, 2020 09:58AM

Lets say we did trade out of 18 for 29 and a first and second rounder next If we filled in a lot of holes OL, Edge , Rb , etc and took a flier on say Gordon in round 5 we could get another year look at Rosen and Gordon. If they did not work out then we would have 3 first rounders next year and we would have the ammo to trade up to get Trevor Lawrence.

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: March 09, 2020 03:16PM

> FIRST astro34 Wrote:
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> -----
> > I love the one mock that has us trading down
> from
> > 18 with the Titans for 29 and getting their 1st
> > and 2nd next year. That would be sweet.
>
>.....THEN

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:

Yes......and they owe us.


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RESPONSE: NO!!!! We owe THEM for taking Tannehill off our hands.

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Re: Drop down ?
Date: March 09, 2020 05:50PM

RESPONSE: NO!!!! We owe THEM for taking Tannehill off our hands.

LOL. YES! Please take this former first round , record setting , probowl starting ,Highest rated, comeback player of the year off our hands. Thank you!

spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: astro34 ()
Date: March 10, 2020 02:22AM

Don't care who owes who(i am sure that is incorrect English)


Just want to get this right so I can see Miami holding that trophy after the last game.

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: March 10, 2020 07:30AM

Doris is at it again.

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Re: Drop down ?
Date: March 10, 2020 07:55AM

astro34 Wrote:
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> Don't care who owes who(i am sure that is
> incorrect English)
>
>
> Just want to get this right so I can see Miami
> holding that trophy after the last game.

Absolutely we need to get this one right. This draft is crucial.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: astro34 ()
Date: March 10, 2020 09:38AM

I know hitting on a draft pick is around 60% for the first three rounds. So that means that 2 of our 3 first rounders (and the same for our next two rounds) should turn into long term starters.

Long term starters have been found throughout the draft and even into undrafted free agents. So I say busy your ass and do the work, I want EVERY draft pick we have to becomes long term players!!!!!

Its not like we are flush with outstanding NFL talent. I can say our players have the most heart and give great effort. Now lets find those players with more skill and we will be good to go.

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Re: Drop down ?
Date: March 10, 2020 09:51AM

The biggest issue this team had was keeping players . Players that went to other teams turning into superstars ...Minkah Fitzpatrick comes to mind.

The greatest thing I saw last season was how these players reacted to Flores. Creating a positive environment here is a huge step in this team getting great players again.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: March 10, 2020 12:26PM

It doesnt matter who we pick in the draft. If the coaching staff doesnt produce teaching, the story will repeat itself.

Hope thats not the case.

I hope we have the right coaches in place.

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: March 10, 2020 12:29PM

And i wonder why an x dolphin player said this organization was toxic?

Because of ross?

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Re: Drop down ?
Date: March 10, 2020 06:26PM

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> And i wonder why an x dolphin player said this
> organization was toxic?
>
> Because of ross?


Really? Who said that? Sour grapes maybe? I get that with Gase ....but Flores had this team motivated. Pretty sure special teams even helped selling hotdogs and came in early to help the grounds keepers!

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: tsstamper ()
Date: March 10, 2020 09:10PM

I can definitely see ex-Phins from the Gase/Philbin era saying the org was toxic. But, I haven't seen evidence of toxicity under Flores.

Minkah, in my opinion, is a complete fraud. Billed as a team-first, do whatever needs to be done guy...turned out to be a me-first, do what puts me in position to get paid guy. I thought it was epic that his mommy chimed in on social media - classic millennial move! Even better was reading that he was so happy that Tomlin put him in one position vs. swiss army knife...only to have Fitz come out last month saying next year he wants to be the swiss army knife in PIT. So awesome! I want what I want, including the right to flip-flop at any time I want...no consequences.

I'm not saying throw talent out the window when building a team - not by any means. But, I want talented team-first guys vs. just started my 2nd year prima donas.

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Re: Drop down ?
Date: March 10, 2020 10:27PM

tsstamper Wrote:
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>
> I'm not saying throw talent out the window when
> building a team - not by any means. But, I want
> talented team-first guys vs. just started my 2nd
> year prima donas.



Excellent excellent point. Unfortunately it's hard to know who exactly these type of players are before the draft. They all tell you want you want to hear.College coaches also want their players drafted so they tell you what you want to hear. The real quality players dont show up until the going gets rough. Last season was a good example.

But your definitely on the right track!!

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: tsstamper ()
Date: March 11, 2020 04:50AM

Definitely with you - super tough to get to the truth of who someone really is in the job interview process. Saban - the gift that just keeps givin' spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

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Re: Drop down ?
Date: March 11, 2020 04:21PM

Saban that POS.

Perfect example of finding out what a person's character really is like after it's too late.thumbs up

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: March 17, 2020 08:08AM

Nope, don’t trade down...

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Re: Drop down ?
Date: March 17, 2020 09:32AM

Ken Wrote:
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> Nope, don’t trade down...


We were pretty active in free agency already.so Its looking like they will pick BPA at #5.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: March 17, 2020 10:34AM

As they should.

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: March 17, 2020 10:48AM

BPA With every pick.

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: March 17, 2020 11:20AM

Best Player Available ......AT...greatest position of need

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: March 17, 2020 11:28AM

I agree, however our first three picks need to BPA at a need area. Those three picks have to be slam dunks.

Our biggest right now are QB, and OL.

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Re: Drop down ?
Date: March 17, 2020 11:42AM

Ken Wrote:
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> I agree, however our first three picks need to BPA
> at a need area. Those three picks have to be slam
> dunks.
>
> Our biggest right now are QB, and OL.


How so Ken? We might not have a "Franchise back or someone to put in the ROH" but the way Fitz played last season its a future need. And Rosen is still unproven. Its not the long time solution , but I wouldnt say that QB is our greatest area of need. Now OL......YES. No one can be successful period if we dont get some run and pass protection. DT YES. We need to shut down the run. Using a Top 5 on a OL is not smart in our position. Hence the trade down. Or pick a QB if they are sure about it. We have the capital. F It. But QB is not our greatest area of need. RB is more of a need then QB at this point.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: March 17, 2020 12:55PM

The QB position is not like tackle. At tackle, you let the guy have the position until you find better. With QB, you draft the best.

We drafted Woodley and didn't we draft Marino the next year? I may be wrong.

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: March 17, 2020 01:41PM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Ken Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I agree, however our first three picks need to
> BPA
> > at a need area. Those three picks have to be
> slam
> > dunks.
> >
> > Our biggest right now are QB, and OL.
>
>
> How so Ken? We might not have a "Franchise back or
> someone to put in the ROH" but the way Fitz played
> last season its a future need. And Rosen is still
> unproven. Its not the long time solution , but I
> wouldnt say that QB is our greatest area of need.
> Now OL......YES. No one can be successful period
> if we dont get some run and pass protection. DT
> YES. We need to shut down the run. Using a Top 5
> on a OL is not smart in our position. Hence the
> trade down. Or pick a QB if they are sure about
> it. We have the capital. F It. But QB is not our
> greatest area of need. RB is more of a need then
> QB at this point.


RE: Howard makes RB, not a must draft position this season...I still think we will add one and I’d love to see Thomas, but it isn’t imperative at the moment.

At QB you are correct in saying Rosen is unproven, and that means its dangerous to rely on him. Fitz simply isn’t good enough and never has been...should be replaced ASAP, and those two things alone mean we need to draft a can’t miss type guy this season provided we can get one. If Burrows, Tua or Herbert are gone, I would not take a QB at 5 assuming we stay there. (Unless the team is sold on one beyond those guys) In that case I wait until 18 or 26 and grab Love or Hurts. Then I’d draft another QB in 2021.

OT, OG and C are then our chief needs this year. everything else should be strictly BPA when we pick.

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: March 17, 2020 02:12PM

Ken i agree with you that qb is our greatest need.

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: JC ()
Date: March 17, 2020 03:02PM

Anybody else think of a Led Zeppelin song when they saw the title of this thread?

(if not, it's okay...I'm weird that way)

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Re: Drop down ?
Date: March 17, 2020 04:52PM

No Quarter? Fools in the rain?
The Lemon song? grinning smiley

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: JC ()
Date: March 18, 2020 03:51PM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> No Quarter? Fools in the rain?
> The Lemon song? grinning smiley


Nope!

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Re: Drop down ?
Date: March 18, 2020 11:24PM

Dazed and confused? Lets hope not this time..........

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Drop down ?
Posted by: JC ()
Date: March 19, 2020 04:49PM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Dazed and confused? Lets hope not this
> time..........


That is also not the song that came to mind when I saw the title of this thread.

It is, however, representative of how the team had been run in the past.

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