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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: November 15, 2019 11:53AM

Fins72 Wrote:
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> Ken Wrote:
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> > TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > Grimey13 Wrote:
> > >
> >
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> >
> > > -----
> > > > pafinfan Wrote:
> > > >
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> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > One thing to look forward next year is
> that
> > > it
> > > > > SEEMS that we finally have a coaching
> staff
> > > who
> > > > > can coach and get the best out of players
> > we
> > > > have.
> > > >
> > > > smileys with beerthumbs up
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Saw an interesting article.....what if?
> > >
> > >
> > > "Miami Dolphins fans are banging their fists
> for
> > a
> > > first-round quarterback but what if the
> answer
> > all
> > > along has been and will be Josh Rosen?"
> > >
> > >
> > > It's very possible they use this years picks
> to
> > > surround Rosen and give him what he needs to
> be
> > > successful.
> >
> >
> > RE: and that's fine with me as long as the
> coaches
> > know what they are doing and it actually works
> out
> > for a change. If they know more about Rosen
> than
> > we do that's OK with me. That said, I still
> think
> > we have to add a QB in this years draft and
> still
> > want a high pick to be the guy...even if Rosen
> is
> > the starter going forward.
> >
> > Just want results.
>
> I have a feeling that if we aren't positioned to
> take one of the three top quarterback prospects
> (presumably Tua, Burrow, and Herbert) Grier will
> trade up. Everything about this year tells me that
> they're all in on drafting a highly regarded
> quarterback. I'm not sure how I feel about that
> because we have SO many holes to fill that I don't
> want to lose any of those picks but I only hope
> that if they do, whoever they take becomes elite.
> There'd be a whole lot riding on that pick if it
> takes two first rounders to secure it.

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Ken, I disagree. It would take too much for Miami to move up to grab one of those QBs. The way things stand now, the Fins have the fourth pick. I highly doubt all those 3 teams in front of Miami are going to draft a QB. Of course, that is just my opinion.

I then agree with you that Miami has too many holes to fill. Trading up will take away some of those picks (and maybe even next year's).

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: November 15, 2019 12:07PM

I agree, Ken. We should NOT trade UP from the number three pick. That's unnecessary.

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: November 15, 2019 01:59PM

astro34 Wrote:
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> I agree the QB class looks deep. This is my
> thought. A great offensive line can make players
> great. Take Kurt Warner, he could not make an NFL
> team then all of a sudden he is in the Hall Of
> Fame. Really?? NO he just landed in the right
> spot.
>
> One draft has us taking Andrew Thomas (tackle from
> Georgia), then Tyler Baidasz C/G from Wisconsin),
> then D'Andre Swift RB from Georgia) I kind of
> like this draft.(would take Young if he was
> avaiable) Fix the offensive line and you make
> your skill players much better. Don't you think
> Barry Sanders would have loved Emmitt Smith's
> offensive line. Even Dak Prescott looks great
> when their line is healthy.
>
> I do agree with getting a QB later if we can do
> something like this in the first round. Fromm or
> Love look good and possibly will be available. We
> could always fix many of the rest of the holes and
> go with Rosen, and see what he can do behind a
> good offensive line.
>
> As good as our coaching is even if he is not the
> answer then I say package the two first rounders
> in 2021 and move up and get the kid from Clemson.

Bingo, fix the oline first. The oline is what I hope we focus on first. The oline helps everyone qbs, rbs and can keep you D off the field and rested. Get an OT and Biadasz in the first round. Grab Scherff and that third tackle from the Vikes, Hill in free agency and build the oline. Some drafts have us trying to patch all of the holes in this team. Plug up the oline first. Get a qb, wr and corner in rounds 1-4. Get the oline built and the offensive players that will benefit from it.

Another free agent I would go for is HaHa Clinton-Dix S.

If the front office plays it right we can compete in 2022, I mean play in the AFC championship compete.

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: tsstamper ()
Date: November 15, 2019 08:30PM

I absolutely love having a strong OL. I begrudgingly was super late in coming around to the idea that QB was more important than OL. And I still think it's 2nd most important.

That said, I view the potential for solving as both/and. If we think the right QB is there for us at our first pick, gotta pull that trigger. That, of course, doesn't mean that we can't still make multiple significant moves on the OL. The relationship between OL & QB is obviously symbiotic, but I think the right QB helps the OL more than the right OL helps the QB.

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: November 17, 2019 04:10PM

captkoi Wrote:
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> Fins72 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ken Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Grimey13 Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > pafinfan Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > One thing to look forward next year is
> > that
> > > > it
> > > > > > SEEMS that we finally have a coaching
> > staff
> > > > who
> > > > > > can coach and get the best out of
> players
> > > we
> > > > > have.
> > > > >
> > > > > smileys with beerthumbs up
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Saw an interesting article.....what if?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Miami Dolphins fans are banging their
> fists
> > for
> > > a
> > > > first-round quarterback but what if the
> > answer
> > > all
> > > > along has been and will be Josh Rosen?"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's very possible they use this years
> picks
> > to
> > > > surround Rosen and give him what he needs
> to
> > be
> > > > successful.
> > >
> > >
> > > RE: and that's fine with me as long as the
> > coaches
> > > know what they are doing and it actually
> works
> > out
> > > for a change. If they know more about Rosen
> > than
> > > we do that's OK with me. That said, I still
> > think
> > > we have to add a QB in this years draft and
> > still
> > > want a high pick to be the guy...even if
> Rosen
> > is
> > > the starter going forward.
> > >
> > > Just want results.
> >
> > I have a feeling that if we aren't positioned
> to
> > take one of the three top quarterback prospects
> > (presumably Tua, Burrow, and Herbert) Grier
> will
> > trade up. Everything about this year tells me
> that
> > they're all in on drafting a highly regarded
> > quarterback. I'm not sure how I feel about that
> > because we have SO many holes to fill that I
> don't
> > want to lose any of those picks but I only hope
> > that if they do, whoever they take becomes
> elite.
> > There'd be a whole lot riding on that pick if
> it
> > takes two first rounders to secure it.
>
> **************************************************
> ****
>
> Ken, I disagree. It would take too much for Miami
> to move up to grab one of those QBs. The way
> things stand now, the Fins have the fourth pick. I
> highly doubt all those 3 teams in front of Miami
> are going to draft a QB. Of course, that is just
> my opinion.
>
> I then agree with you that Miami has too many
> holes to fill. Trading up will take away some of
> those picks (and maybe even next year's).

RE: Cap, I’m not condoning moving up...just that the higher we pick our guy the better. If we have to stand pat at 3 or 4 where we are right now then that’s OK with me. I’m also OK with taking Hurts later on IF Tua (OK post injury) Burrows or Herbert are gone. I’m not really big on Fromm.

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: November 17, 2019 04:17PM

If the top guys are all gone this year drafting Hurts and waiting to get a top guy the following year isn’t a bad idea. That would give us Rosen and Hurts next year and another top guy added in 2021 should Rosen and Hurts not step up. Hurts is mobile and might just pan out to be our Lamar Jackson ish guy.

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Re: Playing with House Money
Date: November 18, 2019 04:31AM

Lamar Jackson.......did you see his play yesterday? I'm still hurting from the 50+ points he put on us.Incredible. Mike Vick on steroids.

Tells me 2 things.

A) great things are out there where you least expect them. Drafted at #32 overall he was the best QB in that class.

cool smiley better spend some high picks on defense if you ever hope to beat him one day.

drinking smiley

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: astro34 ()
Date: November 18, 2019 04:53AM

a few thoughts.....tsstamper wrote "The relationship between OL & QB is obviously symbiotic, but I think the right QB helps the OL more than the right OL helps the QB." I respectfully disagree and believe the opposite. The right OL can make a QB look great, and a bad OL can make a good QB look awful. Just ask Brady in his two losses to the Giants. Their DL wore out the Patriots OL and that is why the Giants won the super bowl those years.

I would be against trading up because we have to many holes to fill. We need to use all our draft picks to get better. I would be ok with fixing the OL then getting Hurts, Love or Fromm in a later round.

The college QBs have success for a reason, they all can play but have some flaws. Look at Burrow, if they didn't change systems then he looked like a fifth or sixth rounder. Now he could be overall number 1 off the board. So If that doesn't happen someone finds a gem in the later rounds. Some of the colleges don't use the QB's to their potential. Conversely, I think some make their QBs better then they really are (ie. Lincoln Riley's system)

We all talk about the next Marino. He had a great Jr year and an average Sr year so he fell in the draft. Were we so intelligent drafting him when we did. No we got lucky. I bet if he came out after his Jr year he would not have been the sixth Qb taken.(Jim Mcmahon and Art Schlister were the first two QB's the year before.)

Lastly.... I don't want the next Lamar Jackson kind of QB. Yes, I would love a mobile QB that can run to extend a play or make a first down. Odds are that he will end up injured more often then not. The NFL always figures out how to stop the running QB eventually.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/18/2019 05:19AM by astro34.

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: November 18, 2019 07:01AM

I don't want a Lamar Jackson type either. Raven's season goes down the drain if that guy takes a big hit and is out for the season. IMO what they are doing with Jackson is plain stupid. I think Hurts is playing himself into the first round and if we spend a first rounder on a qb I would take Herbert (assuming Burrow is gone).

After this weekends games I have in my first 3 rounds for the Phins

1 Herbert QB OR
1 Henderson CB UF From HOU
1 Leatherwood T AL From PIT
2 Williams C MS ST
2 Johnson WR MN From NO
3 Weaver ILB CAL

Im going with Henderson and dropped Biadasz w/ the second 1st rnd pick. Henderson looks better than Howard at this stage of his career. Have been very impressed w/ Williams at C for MS ST. Leader and never quits played hard against AL on Saturday. I had Johnson at 4th but he has been playing well and getting noticed. Take a look at Weaver for CAL and I think he will remind you of a Phins ILB from back in the day.

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: astro34 ()
Date: November 18, 2019 07:22AM

I would be happy with that draft.

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: November 18, 2019 08:07AM

The reason I’m OK with us taking Hurts if we can this year, is ONLY if the top 3 guys are gone when we make our first pick, AND if we can get him around 20 - 27 ish the first round. I wouldn’t condone taking him higher than that.

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: November 19, 2019 01:25PM

I agree with you guys who are saying they don't want a Lamar Jackson-type of QB. Remember RG III? He was similar to Lamar and look what happened to him.

I cringe whenever I see Jackson take off.

Just get a pocket passer who can run when necessary.

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: astro34 ()
Date: November 20, 2019 07:32AM

I just hope that the Dolphins don't go all in on Tua after that injury. We need to pick a QB that can play and will be on the field.


I look at as you have a choice between the fastest Chevy car and fastest Ford car. The slightly faster one continually breaks down. Which one do you choose? (just an example not choosing brands here)

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Re: Playing with House Money
Date: November 21, 2019 12:38PM


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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: December 05, 2019 07:47PM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> astro34 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I just hope that the Dolphins don't go all in
> on
> > Tua after that injury. We need to pick a QB
> that
> > can play and will be on the field.
> >
> >
> > I look at as you have a choice between the
> fastest
> > Chevy car and fastest Ford car. The slightly
> > faster one continually breaks down. Which one
> do
> > you choose? (just an example not choosing
> brands
> > here)
>
> TUA has two options IMO. First off Try to
> understand whats been done to his two ankles:
>
> In late October, surgeons performed a tightrope
> procedure on Tagovailoa’s right ankle, drilling
> holes from his fibula to his tibia before
> threading a suture through and cinching the bones
> together. He’d previously undergone the
> procedure on his left ankle following the 2018 SEC
> Championship game.
>
>
> In the past 12 months, Tagovailoa has had surgery
> on both of his ankles. He’s now dislocated and
> fractured his hip.
>
> TUA has one thing on his side........YOUTH. He's
> still young enough to possibly make a full
> recovery. AND its his passing skills that are his
> strong point, not his running ability.
>
> IF we can get the kid for a bargain with one of
> our later 1st rounders (we have three) I'm down
> with that. As long as our Doctors give the go
> ahead. Lets not overdraft him has always been my
> point.
>
> Hes shouldn't be taken in the Top ten. Maybe he
> even falls to the second day. Developing TUA and
> Rosen as we rebuild the team would be awesome.
>
> A Kid like TUA would never want to sit behind any
> player like Aaron Rodgers did. But Now after
> coming close to losing everything he might be a
> much more apt to be Team player.
>
> THINK Minka Fitzpatrick.

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: December 06, 2019 04:28AM

I would pass on Tua all together now with that injury. If he does not return to Bama for the 2020 season there will be no post injury evaluation on him. Tua has always been a Team player at AL. A great leader, I just don't like that injury. Think we should move away from him at this point. #&$@, Rodgers road back seat to a hall of famer his early years. No way he was going to step up and claim the qb position.

Still gutsy move by GB to pick him. We would not draft a qb in previous years because we did not want to hurt our previous qbs feelings.

If we had guts we could have grabbed Rodgers but we wanted to stick with Frerrote. Really hope our front office stupidity has ended with the current regime.

Rosen has showed nothing this year. Draft Hurts, Eason or Fromm in the second and if we have to go qb again 2021 do it.

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: astro34 ()
Date: December 06, 2019 09:03AM

I agree with you Mizzou15 about Tua, I would have to pass on him. I just read he probably will not get back internal rotation in his hip. That is OK for anyone who is not getting tackled or hit for a living. While he may be able to run fine, if you cannot rotate your hip when needed you bring into a ton of different injuries to the forefront.

I think there are plenty of other QB's out there to choose from. Heck, right now we have the 199th pick in the draft i say take Shea Patterson QB Michigan with that pick , maybe lightning will strick twice. LOL

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: December 06, 2019 11:39AM

If we draft tua in any round it would be a wasted pick and i would be very disapointed. His football career is over folks.

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Re: Playing with House Money
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: December 06, 2019 11:46AM

Right. Like I pointed out before, I just hope he is able to live a normal physical life.

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Re: Playing with House Money
Date: December 06, 2019 06:37PM

astro34 Wrote:
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> I agree with you Mizzou15 about Tua, I would have
> to pass on him. I just read he probably will not
> get back internal rotation in his hip. That is OK
> for anyone who is not getting tackled or hit for a
> living. While he may be able to run fine, if you
> cannot rotate your hip when needed you bring into
> a ton of different injuries to the forefront.
>
> I think there are plenty of other QB's out there
> to choose from. Heck, right now we have the 199th
> pick in the draft i say take Shea Patterson QB
> Michigan with that pick , maybe lightning will
> strick twice. LOL


Sadly.....I'd love to point to Drew Breeze or other QBs who have over came possibly career ending injuries.But I just dont think TUA can survive physically at the NFL level. I knew this would happen to him but I really thought it would be at the hands of a NFL linebacker, not a college one . I feel for the kid because he never got that money to fall back on. But I'm glad Miami didnt get cuaght paying it .

Someone is going to take a chance on him. And I'd be all for giving him one in the later rounds.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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