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Ballage
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: November 10, 2019 04:53PM

Is it just me or does anyone else cringe every time Ballage gets the ball? I know the run blocking stinks, but Ballage has absolutely no elusiveness and no vision.He seems to look for the biggest group of defenders and runs into them. Hard to imagine Laird or Gaskin could be any worse. Hopefully he's benched next week.

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: November 10, 2019 05:27PM

He must think he's "Csonka the Bull". But he ain't.

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: tsstamper ()
Date: November 10, 2019 10:13PM

Was shaking my head on so many of his runs "if you'd only cut left" or "don't run right into the group of defenders". Don't know much about his college career, but guessing he just overpowered a bunch of smaller, less talented defenders building in his mind that that was how to run.

Probably just immaturity, but read somewhere that he basically said "I got nothin' to prove" when asked. Umm...you average about 2 YPC. In this game you got 20 carries and even 4 catches, for 0.5 YPCatch. Those numbers are the very definition of "got something to prove".

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: jsm08 ()
Date: November 11, 2019 05:55AM

Couldn't agree more. The next defender he makes miss will be his first.

I want to see more laird and gaskins.

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Re: Ballage
Date: November 11, 2019 07:36AM

What about Walton jr? Was killing it before his suspensions. Maybe Flores can be a Mentor for this kid off the field as well.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: colonel ()
Date: November 11, 2019 08:26AM

Ballage seems to head for the defending pack like a insect to bug zapper. Laird is smart and should play more.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/11/2019 08:28AM by colonel.

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: November 11, 2019 02:23PM

Ballage needs a hole to run through simple. With good blocking he will hit home runs.

He’s not a shifty type back. He’ll improve however.

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Re: Ballage
Date: November 11, 2019 03:21PM

Ken Wrote:
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> Ballage needs a hole to run through simple. With
> good blocking he will hit home runs.
>
> He’s not a shifty type back. He’ll improve
> however.

No doubt , just improving the line will make everyone better.lots of potential everywhere I look on this offense. Our defense......not so much.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: November 12, 2019 06:22AM

Ken Wrote:
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> Ballage needs a hole to run through simple. With
> good blocking he will hit home runs.
>
> He’s not a shifty type back. He’ll improve
> however.


I suppose that's true to a certain extent, but a running back needs to create yards after contact to be effective. It's pretty rare that you'll have a gaping hole to run through, but a good back will make defenders miss and get some yards on his own. Ballage isn't shifty, runs too upright, and lacks vision. I agree with tsstamper and saw the same thing. There were some plays where if Ballage would've cut a certain way instead of plowing into the heart of the defense, he might've gotten some positive yards. Given the ineffectiveness of the offensive line in run blocking, I think we need a shiftier back who can at least look for a crease rather than running his head into a brick wall like Ballage. I'd like to see Gaskin or Laird get some more playing time. I've seen what Ballage can do, and it isn't pretty. I also don't like his attitude. Before the game he said that he didn't have anything to prove. Seriously? I'd say he has everything to prove. He was beaten out by a guy who wasn't even supposed to make the roster (Walton).

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: November 12, 2019 06:41AM

Unfortunately I missed Sunday's but everything you say about Ballage is true and was known prior to him being drafted. He is a straight line power back no shifting or juking. Straight line power and vision. He needs an oline that pops holes and gaps to get him that space.

2 people on my off season wish list Brandon Scherff f/a and Tyler Biadasz C WI. 2 Olineman that just impose their wills on D Linemen in the run game.

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Re: Ballage
Date: November 12, 2019 08:34AM

mizzou15 Wrote:

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> 2 people on my off season wish list Brandon
> Scherff f/a and Tyler Biadasz C WI. 2 Olineman
> that just impose their wills on D Linemen in the
> run game.


thumbs up

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: November 13, 2019 09:36PM

Ballage uses his speed to get through holes that's why there has to be one in the first place...maybe the coaches can develop him a bit more and improve his power game. He's got the size to be more of a power guy.

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: November 14, 2019 03:23AM

Get him the interior linemen to pop open those holes and get on the linebackers and his game will be fine.

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: November 15, 2019 12:22AM

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> Get him the interior linemen to pop open those
> holes and get on the linebackers and his game will
> be fine.


RE: agreed.

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: November 15, 2019 11:42AM

No one can run through a stone wall and everyone can run through a wheat field. What you need is a guy who is hard to stop, a Larry Csonka.

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: November 15, 2019 01:16PM

Jay Ajayi was the closest we came to one since Csonka.

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: JC ()
Date: November 15, 2019 01:18PM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Jay Ajayi was the closest we came to one since
> Csonka.

I think Lousaka Polite was a little bit more like Csonka, because he was very, VERY reliable on 3rd or 4th down and short yardage.

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: November 15, 2019 01:52PM

Whoa, gone from my memory. I remember the name though.

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: November 15, 2019 06:50PM

Yeah polite was a hand full.

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: JC ()
Date: November 16, 2019 12:30PM

I don't like to rely on Wikipedia, but these figures do match what I recall about Lousaka:

2008: 11 of 12 first downs when running on 3rd or 4th down and one to go.

2009: 16 of 16 on 3rd or 4th and one.

2010: 14 of 15 on 3rd of 4th and one.


That is CSONKA - esque reliability, guys. Damn near automatic, except for 2009, when he WAS automatic.

Irks me to no end that the NFL basically has abandoned the fullback position. I know the newer rules favor passing on every down, but why not have a smashmouth fullback on the roster?

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: socalphin ()
Date: November 17, 2019 01:20PM

Another terrible pick by Grier. Just one of more than I can remember.

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: November 19, 2019 01:30PM

JC Wrote:
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> I don't like to rely on Wikipedia, but these
> figures do match what I recall about Lousaka:
>
> 2008: 11 of 12 first downs when running on 3rd or
> 4th down and one to go.
>
> 2009: 16 of 16 on 3rd or 4th and one.
>
> 2010: 14 of 15 on 3rd of 4th and one.
>
>
> That is CSONKA - esque reliability, guys. Damn
> near automatic, except for 2009, when he WAS
> automatic.
>
> Irks me to no end that the NFL basically has
> abandoned the fullback position. I know the newer
> rules favor passing on every down, but why not
> have a smashmouth fullback on the roster?

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The hell with the NFL abandoning the FB position; New England uses their fullback, running, catching, and blocking...and Burkhead is doing a good job.

I thought for sure when Flores got the Miami job and then got a FB, that he was going to utilize him, ala Belichick.

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: JC ()
Date: November 19, 2019 05:37PM

Capkoi,

I just read a sbnation.com article that said only 20 teams had a fullback on their roster (as of 2018). I'll admit that's more than I thought.

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Re: Ballage
Date: November 21, 2019 12:45PM

With 3 # 1 picks.......Maybe we grab Dandre Swift a RB. We need a OLinman like Andrew Thomas first to help him open holes.


Chase Young DE

Andrew Thomas OT

Dandre Swift RB

If Our first round looked like this......We are instantly a better team. Everyone is better.


If you want to dream......Grab TUA hurt in the second round . Or move up in the later 1st round .

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: JC ()
Date: November 21, 2019 03:22PM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> .
>
>
> If you want to dream......Grab TUA hurt in the
> second round . Or move up in the later 1st round .


That could up being a nightmare. Besides, wouldn't he stay in college another year at this point?

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Re: Ballage
Date: November 21, 2019 04:11PM

No one knows. No one has said he couldn't make a full recovery. His arm was his strength not running.

Just do not take him in the first round. I knew someone would.now though.....maybe he falls and we take a chance. All I'm saying.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: Rgphin ()
Date: December 11, 2019 10:31AM

No tua. Maybe in the 4th or something. Ballage is a scrub.

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Re: Ballage
Date: December 11, 2019 01:54PM

I think Ballage is getti g a bad rap because of that Oline. Neither him or Fitz get a second for a play to even develop. Both have to just improvise and That's probably his shortfall.That said D'Andre Swift*, RB, Georgia
Height: 5-9. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.49. Should be there when we pick first. If OL Andrew Thomas is gone Swift would make a great top ten 1st rounder.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: jlyell13 ()
Date: December 11, 2019 05:15PM

Expected more from Ballage

Need 2 of Swift, Taylor, Dobbins Etienne Hubbard, Harris, Darrynton Evans , Zac Moss Edwards-Helaire in the draft

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Re: Ballage
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: December 12, 2019 02:27AM

Yeah our rushing game really took off when Ballege went out.

How the hell can anyone expect anything more from a rb running behind our oline. Improve the line and the backs will improve. Take away Laird's longest run from last game and his rush avg is 2.2 A 37 year old qb was our leading rusher against the Jets. Against the Eagles Laird did not avg 1 yard per rush.

Its the oline. Ballage and Laird can play. Line cannot open holes.

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