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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: April 11, 2019 10:03AM

I want a great team w/ a good qb rather than a great qb w/ a good team. We had that w/ Marino.

McMahon ( was he even good), Bradshaw, he almost threw 1 int for each td and Aikman were not great qbs. They played on great teams. Griese probably belongs in that group to. Great oline probably the greatest fb in the history of the game and one of the great WRs. Once Warfield, Kick and Zonk left Griese could not get us to the dance again.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 11, 2019 11:40AM

astro, we're not talking about only getting a top QB and not worrying about the rest of the team.

But the QB is the engine of the team.

If it's not working, it doesn't matter how good the other components are.

I do agree with you, Mizzou, though, but like you yourself said, to have a successful team you need at least a good if not great QB.

They are rarely, rarely I said and I didn't say never, rarely found in the later rounds.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 11, 2019 12:42PM

Hey chren lets wait until the 6th round to draft a qb. Maybe we get lucky again and draft another brady. ONE IN A TRILLION CHANCE.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 11, 2019 12:45PM

Chren also if we can get lucky and draft that gem qb in the 4th like tcpf says then we can also getlucky and draft that gem oline man in the 4th.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 11, 2019 12:47PM

What you think about that theory tcpf?

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 11, 2019 12:53PM

astro34 Wrote:
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> tsstamper: I agree with what you said. But this is
> the ultimate team sport. Plenty of decent (not
> HOF) QBs have won the Superbowl. It takes a
> team.... actually three teams, offense, defense,
> special teams.... to win the Super Bowl.
>
> Brady has won 6 SBs,


The problem with this astro is we have no qb at all.....unless you count on the retreads from last year.


Thats why we want to draft a qb asap. You never know who is going to develop...either in 2019 or 2020.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 11, 2019 12:58PM

I know there have been busts qbs drafted in the first round....but that goes for every other position as well.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 11, 2019 01:01PM

This team is lacking an engine. We have no engine at all.

We have been without an engine since marino retired. Have won 1 or 2 playoffs games since then.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: April 11, 2019 01:38PM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> On history's list, now that he is gone and his
> tenure is a fixed item that will not change,
> Tannehill has officially replaced David Woodley as
> our WORST quarterback.
>
> Come on, Treasure! Come out your doghouse. LOL.
> Bite me. I'm having fun.

**************************************************

Not sure if you were kidding around or not on this post Chryen, but Tanny IS NOT Miami's worst QB.

Were you a fan of the Fins their first few seasons (pre-Griese)? I can remember a few of the names at QB: Wood, Norton, Wilson, and Stofa. Stofa was a pretty good QB, but was traded once Griese took over.

So, Tanny is not the worst Miami QB. In fact, I would take Tanny over Woodley.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Date: April 11, 2019 03:16PM

We had an engine. We lacked a transmission to keep it moving ( front line)

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 11, 2019 03:50PM

I came with Greise from Purdue in April of 1967, Cap. I really thought 66-67 Was the franchise's second year in the AFL. Maybe I was wrong.

And I would definitely take a Shula coached Woodley over a Gase coached Tannehill. Do you know what it means to come from small town America Cap. Tanny is from Lubbock Texas and I am from Lawton Oklahoma. Google map how close they are. I just hope he is placed in a read option scheme and succeeds at his new location. He is NOT a pocket QB and only Treasure and our prior coaching staff are dumb enough to think he is.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Date: April 12, 2019 03:39AM

Please show me where I ever said he was a pocket passer?. Just once. You dont he know what your saying? Small towns, 1967?????? WTF does any of that have to do with 2017-18 Ryan Tannehill?

You really are kind of just rambling. Making no sense.You need to get that checked bro.

That said if you try to label stuff like Tanny you have already failed.

Hes not a pure anything. That's becuase he didnt even play QB in college. Sometimes he stays in the pocket, sometimes he bootlegs.


Hers the deal . And why Gase will fail if he doesnt get a Steller Defensive Coordinator. Gase is a great offensive mind. But he knows squat about defenses.

A great coach would use Tanny to the weakness of a defense. Sometimes option, sometimes in the pocket. Sometimes in the shotgun, run.

You ALSO NEED A GOOD OLINE TO DO THIS. we addressed it in the draft but except for Tunsil never got him any help.


See it, admit it or not, Tanny had what it took to take a great team to a championship.

I bet you wont.the front office let him down consistantly. And he never bitched. I wish him only well.

Let's move on now shall we?

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 12, 2019 04:21AM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> We had an engine. We lacked a transmission to keep
> it moving ( front line)


It was a hugo engine.....A broken down hugo engine.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Date: April 12, 2019 07:07AM

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > We had an engine. We lacked a transmission to
> keep
> > it moving ( front line)
>
>
> It was a hugo engine.....A broken down hugo
> engine.

The Titins are not a bad ball club. They wanted that Engine. The Patriots were interested too.drinking smiley

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 12, 2019 07:33AM


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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: Grimey13 ()
Date: April 12, 2019 08:58AM

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > samsam3738 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > We had an engine. We lacked a transmission
> to
> > > keep
> > > > it moving ( front line)
> > >
> > >
> > > It was a hugo engine.....A broken down hugo
> > > engine.
> >
> > The Titins are not a bad ball club. They wanted
> > that Engine. The Patriots were interested
> too.drinking smiley
>
>
> To backup mariotta....Or until marriotta got
> hurt.
>
> Do you honestly think tannehil can start ahead of
> marriotta?
>
> Please.

Yes I think Tanne could start over Mariotta. This was last years stats. Mariotta played 3 more games too. The Titans were also a better all around team then the Phins last year.

What has Mariotta accomplished?????

Mariotta (1st) Tanne (2nd)
Completions 228 176
Attempts 331 274
Percentage 68.9 64.2
Yards 2,528 1,979
Yds/Att 7.6 7.2
TD 11 17
INT 8 9
Sacked 42 35

Rushing

Attempts 64 32
Yards 357 145
Yds/Att 5.6 4.5
Long 27 20
20+ 3 1
TD 2 0
Games 14 11



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/12/2019 08:59AM by Grimey13.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 12, 2019 09:22AM

stats inflated because we outscored by 4th quarter and tannehill completes passes that dont matter when the opposing defenses play prevent defense.....


I dont know grimey i just dont like tannehill as a qb. Never did.

He was one of the most erratic qbs ive seen.

One game he looked like a superstar then the next he looked really bad.

Maybe thats why tcpf was enamored with tannehill....He hoped tannehill kept playing great like he did sometimes....

Again good one day then the next game just good enough for one good drive a game....Everything else was 3 and outs.

But you know what?

I didnt take losing as hard any more since we kept losing over and over.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Date: April 12, 2019 10:42AM

I just dont believe he was ever given a fair shake. Never had the Oline or coaching. Recievers were rotated in and out like massage parlor girls for Robert Kraft.

But hes gone. Why do you and Chyre6keep bringing him up?

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 12, 2019 11:34AM

Because you attack us every time we talk about getting a QB at 13 and suggest we look for one in the 3rd round or wait for 2020 thus sucking so bad in 19 that previous years don't look so bad by comparison. That's so easy to see. You're a Tannehill fan more than a Dolfan

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Date: April 12, 2019 11:39AM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Because you attack us every time we talk about
> getting a QB at 13 and suggest we look for one in
> the 3rd round or wait for 2020 thus sucking so bad
> in 19 that previous years don't look so bad by
> comparison. That's so easy to see. You're a
> Tannehill fan more than a Dolfan


Attack you!? I discuss it. I bring facts. All you have is this Tannehill bullshit. Which QB do you want in the 1st round and why? Do you even have a plan or is it who ever My Lads tells you ?

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 12, 2019 12:28PM

The name is OurLads, Treasure. You certainly have investigated it enough to accurately evaluate their worth.......NOT!!!!!!

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Date: April 12, 2019 12:59PM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> The name is OurLads, Treasure. You certainly have
> investigated it enough to accurately evaluate
> their worth.......NOT!!!!!!


No.......Thats because I spend my time investigating ACTUAL DRAFT CHOICES who will impact my team. Try it sometime. I ask you AGAIN.....Which QB do you prefer and why?

At least I explain myself and give fourth actual facts as to how I came to that conclusion. And no Plagiarism!!

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: tsstamper ()
Date: April 13, 2019 11:26PM

"I agree with what you said. But this is the ultimate team sport. Plenty of decent (not HOF) QBs have won the Superbowl."

Agreed and that's what gives hope. Architecting a SB-contending team is so much more than a top-6 picked QB. I do think you need consistent, high-level QB play as a massive part of the overall mix, and, encouragingly, it's been proven that such QBs can be found outside of the top of the 1st round. Additionally, all the elements you mentioned and more are also critical. The new crew definitely has their work cut out for them, but it can be done.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 14, 2019 07:22AM

Yes, and every once and awhile, longshots win the Kentucky Derby.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Date: April 14, 2019 08:55AM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Yes, and every once and awhile, longshots win the
> Kentucky Derby.


Just gonna let that one sit and ferment. You really dont have a clue do you?

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 14, 2019 02:08PM

I hope you do let it ferment.

You are trying to say that the longshot is the top ten pick in the FIRST ROUND OF THE DRAFT.

To the contrary, the rarity is a top ten pick being a bust.

What's hilarious is that ON THE OTHER HAND you think that quarterbacks can JUST AS EASILY BE FOUND IN THE 3RD AND 4TH rounds or the low 2nd round.

I would post the jumping and laughing smiley but doing so would blank out the whole post.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Date: April 14, 2019 03:29PM

We have no OL. No Dline. No depth at any positions. Simple math. More picks , more bodies, fill more holes. You want to waste a first round on a draft with QBs that are not Worth it.

You would see that if you knew more then just what you read in Our Lads.

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 14, 2019 04:12PM

We picked Griese before most of his offensive line and defense.

Simple math??? As in Simple Simon? What IS your problem.

We have no quarterback.

Our car has no engine.

We pick at number 13.

That's pretty high. What

I know you hate OurLads but just in NOW THEY HAVE DWAYNE HASKINS Ohio State QB moving up from our 13 to going to the NYG at number 6.

Sorry, Treasure they STILL have us picking DREW LOCK, QUARTERBACK MISSOURI AT NUMBER 13.

LOL. LOL. LOL.

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 14, 2019 04:53PM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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Please show me where I ever said he was a pocket
> passer? Just once. You dont he know what your
> saying? .

RESPONSE: Oh, so when I was complaining long before he was traded away that the Dolphins WERE MISUSING TANNEHILL AND IGNORING HIS NATURAL TALENTS which was to run a read option scheme, you were right there Treasure saying "Right On!" to what I was saying.

Right????????????????

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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>Small towns, 1967?????? WTF does any of
> that have to do with 2017-18 Ryan Tannehill?

> You really are kind of just rambling. Making no
> sense.
You need to get that checked bro.
>

RESPONSE: People have to break it down for elementary school kids. Follow me carefully now, little Treasure. You basically accused me of having a PERSONAL PREJUDICE AGAINST TANNEHILL for years.

My reference to my hometown was to show that if anything, I would have a bias IN FAVOR of Ryan Tannehill. Which I did until I saw that our BRILLIANT MANAGEMENT first Philbin through Gase refused to put him in an option scheme.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> That said if you try to label stuff like Tanny you
> have already failed.
>
> Hes not a pure anything. That's becuase he didnt
> even play QB in college. Sometimes he stays in the
> pocket, sometimes he bootlegs.

RESPONSE: Let me get this straight You are saying he DIDN'T PLAY THE POSITION OF QUARTERBACK AT TEXAS A & M?????

Let me let that one sink in with the board.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Here's the deal . And why Gase will fail if he
> doesnt get a Steller Defensive Coordinator. Gase
> is a great offensive mind. But he knows squat
> about defenses.

RESPONSE: LOL. Shhhhh.....Treasure. Shhhh......look it up.

Adam Gase is no longer our coach. He is coaching the Jets. Our coach is Brian Flores.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> A great coach would use Tanny to the weakness of a
> defense. Sometimes option, sometimes in the
> pocket. Sometimes in the shotgun, run.

RESPONSE: He was like a deer in the headlights in the pocket.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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>
> You ALSO NEED A GOOD OLINE TO DO THIS. we
> addressed it in the draft but except for Tunsil
> never got him any help.

RESPONSE: You need a good EVERY POSITION to make a good team but that INCLUDES A GOOD QUARTERBACK TOO!


TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> See it, admit it or not, Tanny had what it took to
> take a great team to a championship.

RESPONSE: LOL. I'll admit that like David Woodley, he had what it takes to RIDE a great team to the championship and probably, unlike Woodley, he would have won that championship.

But we noway in Hell have the caliber of team David Woodley had.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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>
> I bet you wont. The front office let him down
> consistantly.

RESPONSE: If you mean not drafting olinemen. I don't know. It seems to me that they had other problems like bullygate.

And he never bitched. I wish him
> only well.

RESPONSE: I do too as I do all my homecowboys (see what I did there? Home boys from the Ghetto and Cowboys from Texoma Land).

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Let's move on now shall we?

RESPONSE: You promise to end it yourself and not throw out any OurLads insults?

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Re: should we dance with the devil
Date: April 15, 2019 05:04AM

Ryan Fitzpatrick is our QB now. What does Our Lads say about him?

What does Ourlads say about our new Logo?

You should just change your name from ChyreneB to OurLadsb.

Nice day for the beach here.....you should go relax.

drinking smiley

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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