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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 18, 2018 04:41PM


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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: dolphan4545 ()
Date: September 18, 2018 07:12PM


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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: dolphan4545 ()
Date: September 18, 2018 07:33PM

colonel Wrote:
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> First place is a great place...in fact, it's the
> best place to be in universally.
>
> RT kept things going with his legs, a lot to be
> desired with the passing game game calling. Only
> 1 pass to a TE. We drafted TEs to use during the
> game as offensive tools, yet Gase seems to avoid
> including them in the game other than for
> blocking. Yes, we won this game but it was iffy
> for a while wasn't it. The offense needs to put
> more points on the board. Too many failures on 3rd
> down, IMO.
>
> Gore seems to run as hard as he did last year and
> the year before. He should be in the game more and
> could have gotten a couple of yards in that one
> instance that was a pass that missed to move the
> sticks on 3rd down. Again, I think play calling by
> Gase is lame.
>
> Gase seems to play call at the "checker" level and
> should be at the "chess" level. The offense might
> perform a bit better with better plays provided to
> RT. BTW, too many very short pass plays...more
> yardage please.

I've got to agree that the play-calling was pretty lame. We've got TWO good backs and they're underused. Third and one late in the game and Gase calls a pass, a poorly executed play that failed miserably. It was dangerous to use a pass play at that time and at that point on the field and at that point in the game, while the defense was spread out and a running play had a good chance of extending the drive and using up more clock. He has made poor use of the running game so far this season, excepting in the suspended first half of the Titans game. His passing game seems to consist mostly of bubble screens and such- he infrequently throws the ball downfield, even so far as 10 yards, and relies on talent and speed to get the first down. It's a pretty iffy proposition, as evidenced by our relatively poor third down conversion record.

Rick

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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 18, 2018 08:30PM


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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: 808phan ()
Date: September 19, 2018 06:51AM

I think RT17 is doing pretty damn good so far....


72.5 completion percent - That's 5th place for active starting QB's

There's only one Superbowl winning QB ahead of him in this stat - Brees



104.9 QB rating - That's 8th place for active starting QB's

There's only two Superbowl winning QB's ahead of him in this stat - Brees & Rodgers.


I know it's early on in the season and things can change quick, but that's not a bad start for our QB at all, and definitely not worth bitching about.


Yes, I would like to see some deeper passes - So far only three for 20+ and one for 40+ but play calling plays a role in that. That was a very nice deep throw RT made to Stills in stride for that 75 yd TD in week one smileys with beer

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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 19, 2018 03:33PM


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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: dolphan4545 ()
Date: September 20, 2018 01:02PM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> dolphan4545 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "The mid 1950s when the quarterbacks were
> Johnny
> > Unitas and Y.A. Tittle and when they had to
> have
> > equal running ability as passing
> > ability?????????"
> >
> > You think that these guys- these well-known
> pocket
> > passers- were running QB's?!? Did you ever
> watch
> > either of them? Did you ever even read ANYTHING
> > about either of them?!?
>
> RESPONSE: Yes I watched them on television on
> Channel 7 from Lawton, Oklahoma and Channels 3 and
> 6 from Wichita Falls, Texas
> from 1953, when I was 5 and watched Howdy Doody
> until 1965, when, as a high school senior, I left
> for Los Angeles.
>
>
> > I had to laugh at your
> > selection of these two particular men to try
> and
> > make your point. News flash- your selections
> don't
> > help your argument.
>
> RESPONSE: I'm not saying they led the league in
> rushing as much as did Jim Brown and the other
> backs but I'm saying that in the late 50's and
> early 60's before the famous game when Joe Namath
> beat the Colts, a quarterback was expected to be
> more of a runner than he is now.
>
> And my selection of those two QBs was more of a
> reference point in time than to say they were
> great runners.
>
> I think a fair reading of my post bears that out.
>
>
>
> But keep trying, you'll get me one day, Rick.

I'm not trying to "get" you, I've done that before and it wasn't very hard. No, my point was-let me explain it more clearly- apparently you didn't watch the game very closely in those days because the two men you mentioned weren't " running" QB's by ANY stretch of the imagination. The only real running QB of that era was Fran Tarkenton, most other QB's then were almost EXCLUSIVELY pocket passers. In the NFL, Sonny Jurgensen. Norman Snead. Bart Starr. Roman Gabriel. In the early AFL before Namath, John Hadl. Jack Kemp. Tobin Rote. Earl Morral, and, of course, with those knees, Joe Namath himself. I could go on, but my point is made.

Rick



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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: dolphan4545 ()
Date: September 20, 2018 01:31PM

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Darnold is going to be a great qb.
>
> That been said im happy we have fitspatrick on our
> side.
>
> But i would love if we had darnold as our backup
> qb to learn a bit from tannehil and as insurance.
>
> Tannehill has been scrambling and running and it
> has worked out so far. He is not a star. He needs
> lots of talented players around him to be able to
> succeed, So far so good. 2-0. Happy with that.
>
> When the going gets tough and tannehill has to do
> a comeback to win the game we will see if he has
> what it takes.
>
> He looked a bit like a deer in the headlights
> against the jets because he doesnt have the
> ability to improvise like darnold,,,,Meaning
> moving around in the pocket to buy some time and
> make an accurate throw,
>
> weve gotten a little bit of everything in both
> games,,,,,skills and luck.
>
> Again when the going gets tough and tannehill
> needs to win a game....we will see what happens..
>
> NO EXCUSES NOW BECAUSE THE OLINE IS PLAYING WELL
> EVEN WITH A BACKUP GUARD AND WE HAVE VERY VERY
> GOOD AND FAST AS HELL RECEIVERS.
>
> NO EXCUSES FOR TANNEHILL>>>>>>IF HE DOESNT SUCCEED
> THIS YEAR THAT HE IS HEALTHY HE NEVER WILL
> SUCCEED.

I'm not so sure about the "deer in the headlights" bit, but the rest of this post is right on. If Tannehill is ever going to do it, NOW is the time.

Rick

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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
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Date: September 20, 2018 02:01PM


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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: 808phan ()
Date: September 20, 2018 03:05PM


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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 20, 2018 06:14PM

I know it's coulda, woulda, shoulda, but it's what split me and Sam from Treasure.

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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 21, 2018 05:06AM

Jets lost against the browns....LOL.......21-17


LMAO. I love life right now.

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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 21, 2018 05:08AM

Now if we can only beat the raiders and be 3-0?

Also my other wish is that tcpf's Boy Toy stays healthy.

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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Date: September 21, 2018 05:12AM

How did that cant miss QB on the Jets do last night? grinning smileydrinking smiley

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 21, 2018 05:13AM

This is the perfect weekend for me: 5 things need to happen. 1 Already happened.

1. Jests lost to the browns.

2. That the pats lose again

3. Bills Lose as well

4. Phins beat the raiders.

5. Tannehill stays healthy one more week.

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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 21, 2018 05:14AM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> How did that cant miss QB on the Jets do last
> night? grinning smileydrinking smiley


He is going to be a good one. Lots of talent. He is only a rookie.

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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 21, 2018 10:49AM

Plus, from the highlights he did damn well!!!! Oh, I forgot with any QB except Tanny he is responsible for THAT teams losses but its wins are due to the other players on that team but with your mancrush, he is solely to be credited with all wins but has nothing to do with any loss.

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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: dolphan4545 ()
Date: September 23, 2018 04:38PM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> dolphan4545 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > > RESPONSE: I'm not saying they led the league
> > in
> > > rushing as much as did Jim Brown and the
> other
> > > backs but I'm saying that in the late 50's
> and
> > > early 60's before the famous game when Joe
> > Namath
> > > beat the Colts, a quarterback was expected to
> > be
> > > more of a runner than he is now.

I know what you are saying. I'm saying you are wrong. The statistics and players I have quoted PROVE it.

> > >
> > > And my selection of those two QBs was more of
> a
> > > reference point in time than to say they were
> > > great runners.

Well, that's good, because they weren't. To use those referenced players to prove your contrary opinion is asinine.
> > >
> > > I think a fair reading of my post bears that
> > out.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > But keep trying, you'll get me one day, Rick.
> >
> > I'm not trying to "get" you, I've done that
> before
> > and it wasn't very hard.
>
> RESPONSE: Whoa........Woof! Woof!

You think you are Arsenio Hall? You aren't.
>
> No, my point was-let me
> > explain it more clearly- apparently you didn't
> > watch the game very closely in those days
> because
> > the two men you mentioned weren't " running"
> QB's
> > by ANY stretch of the imagination.
>
> RESPONSE: Again, YOU missed the point. I did not
> say all quarterbacks nearly led the teams in
> rushing. The point was that after Griese,
> Spurrier and Namath, the QB became almost
> exclusively a pocket passer with a few exceptions.
> Before that, the QBs were expected to be runners
> and passers.

Actually, that is an edited misstatement of your original point. Not that it really matters, you're still wrong for the same reasons I stated. Perhaps you would like to edit it again?
>
> The only real
> > running QB of that era was Fran Tarkenton,
>
> First off, Tarkenton came into prominence in the
> late 60's at best, after the era of Jim Brown.
>

Stop making foolish statements before looking them up and verifying them. Tarkenton was drafted in 1961 and played for 18 years- Brown was drafted in 1957, four years before Tark was drafted, and played until 1965, five years into Tark's career. He was a prominent QB in all those years.

> most
> > other QB's then were almost EXCLUSIVELY pocket
> > passers.
>
> RESPONSE: Whoa! Are you saying that a) they were
> almost exclusively passers or b) when those QBs
> passed instead of ran the ball, it was from the
> pocket.

That WAS my original point. Yes, that is what I said and am still saying. I believe I have proven my point, and disproven yours. If you still disagree, then I think your are inflexible in your opinions but that is your choice.
>
> I disagree with A but B is an obvious statement
> that will not go down in history as a rare
> observation.
>
>
>
> In the NFL, Sonny Jurgensen. Norman
> > Snead. Bart Starr. Roman Gabriel. In the early
> AFL
> > before Namath, John Hadl. Jack Kemp. Tobin
> Rote.
> > Earl Morral, and, of course, with those knees,
> Joe
> > Namath himself. I could go on, but my point is
> > made.
>
> RESPONSE: All those QBs you name above, did a lot
> more rushing in those NFL schemes than do the QBs
> now.

I doubt that you can cite stats to prove this. So, prove it if you can.

>
> Are you really silly enough to be arguing that
> things haven't changed in 60 years?

Of course not. But then, this statement doesn't have anything to do with with the conversation that we are having. Misdirection, anyone? The last tactic of a desperate mind.

P.S. I am sick and tired of you changing or mis-restating your "point" to avoid having to admit you might be wrong. Try to be man enough to admit that you might be wrong. Me, I know that I might be wrong at any time. But, not this time.
>
>

Rick

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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
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Date: September 23, 2018 05:27PM


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Re: Dolphins v Jets: Game day thread
Posted by: JC ()
Date: September 24, 2018 12:08PM

This thread is SOOO last week.

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