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My hope at No. 11
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: March 19, 2018 07:08AM

The more I read about Tremaine Edmunds, the more I want him to be our pick at 11. 6'5" 253 lbs., runs a 4.54 40 and is freakishly athletic. Plus, sentimental favorite because his dad was drafted by and played for the Fins. I think he automatically solves the tight end coverage problem and has the lateral quickness to run down backs helping the run defense. I think this guy has rare ability and would be an incredible selection.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Date: March 19, 2018 11:14AM

Sorry.......I hope a QB falls a bit and a team bites and trades our #1 for theirs plus a few others. SUH is gone. We will need a DT as well as a Linebacker. We can get the best tight end ever.....if our defense gives up more then we score, we lose.

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: JC ()
Date: March 19, 2018 01:06PM

Fins72 Wrote:
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> The more I read about Tremaine Edmunds, the more I
> want him to be our pick at 11. 6'5" 253 lbs., runs
> a 4.54 40 and is freakishly athletic. Plus,
> sentimental favorite because his dad was drafted
> by and played for the Fins. I think he
> automatically solves the tight end coverage
> problem and has the lateral quickness to run down
> backs helping the run defense. I think this guy
> has rare ability and would be an incredible
> selection.


Ferrell Edmunds' kid??!! This is cool. His old man had good speed for his size and I enjoyed watching him play. If he's a chip off the old block, then sign him up!!!

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: March 20, 2018 12:31AM

I would love that selection, also great would be Roquan Smith, Vita Vea, Hayden Hurst or Isaiah Wynn.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: March 20, 2018 03:49AM

Edmund's other kid is also in the draft a big safety sort of a poor man's Derwin James. Im nervous about our interest in Vea, you fall in love watching his highlight tapes but I have watched UWA games where I was just waiting for him to do something. Sometimes I just felt that I was not watching a top 15 pick w/ that guy.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: March 20, 2018 04:39AM

But of course they will find a way to draft a player we never heard of.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Date: March 20, 2018 06:03AM

Or give up a second to move up and grab him in the 7th or 8th slot........

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: March 20, 2018 06:45AM

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> Edmund's other kid is also in the draft a big
> safety sort of a poor man's Derwin James. Im
> nervous about our interest in Vea, you fall in
> love watching his highlight tapes but I have
> watched UWA games where I was just waiting for him
> to do something. Sometimes I just felt that I was
> not watching a top 15 pick w/ that guy.

I feel the same way about Vea. He reminds me a little too much of Phillips. Boat load of physical talent but not always motivated. Edmunds to me is the pick if he's available at 11. He'll help us defend the run (great lateral speed) plus he'll be able to cover tight ends and running backs better than anyone we've had in decades. There are some defensive tackles that could be available in the second round that might be good. Tavon Bryan and Tim Settle both would be upgrades over who we have currently on the roster and might be available in the second.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: March 20, 2018 07:03AM

If Bryan falls to us in the second I would be beyond thrilled. He is the opposite of Vea that dude always goes full throttle.

Edmunds + Bryan would improve our defensive athleticism exponentially.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: March 20, 2018 07:24AM

QB in the first but if not qb...

Then LB.

Stopping the run has been miamis weaknesses for a while now even with suh playing for the phins. Imagine without him.



1. Roquan smith LB

or

1. Lamar Jackson QB.....i think he is going to be a better version of russel wilson IMHO.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Date: March 20, 2018 08:17AM

I can garanfucktintee we don't take a QB in the first. I hope they trade down but it will be a position of need. MLB Or DT OR would be best.

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: March 20, 2018 08:22AM

My concern with Jackson is the same as my concern with Josh Allen. If you complete less than 60% of your passes in college, that's a problem in the NFL where the defensive backs are faster, taller, and more athletic; not to mention the defensive coordinators who will game plan against any weakness that you have much more creatively than is done in college. If any of the top three QBs fell to us (which I sincerely doubt will happen) that would be one thing, but there's no way I'd spend a first rounder on a QB with any significant question marks.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: March 20, 2018 08:25AM

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> If Bryan falls to us in the second I would be
> beyond thrilled. He is the opposite of Vea that
> dude always goes full throttle.
>
> Edmunds + Bryan would improve our defensive
> athleticism exponentially.


That's my dream scenario. Two young multi-talented defenders would upgrade our defense the moment they stepped on the field. Add the possibility that Raekwon McMillan can live up to expectations.... that would be a nice turn of events.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: March 20, 2018 09:19AM

Fins72 Wrote:
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> My concern with Jackson is the same as my concern
> with Josh Allen. If you complete less than 60% of
> your passes in college, that's a problem in the
> NFL where the defensive backs are faster, taller,
> and more athletic; not to mention the defensive
> coordinators who will game plan against any
> weakness that you have much more creatively than
> is done in college. If any of the top three QBs
> fell to us (which I sincerely doubt will happen)
> that would be one thing, but there's no way I'd
> spend a first rounder on a QB with any significant
> question marks.

There are things I like about Allen and Jackson that I like more than Rosen and Darnold. They both have as much a chance to succeed as the PAC 10 guys.

I swear at times Allen has reminded me of Jim Kelly and Art Schliester (SP?) Schielster was a bum in the NFL but he was one of the best collegiate qbs I have ever seen.

Jackson achied a 3/1 td/in ratio in 2016 and almost repeated that in 2017 after losing 2 wr, 2 TEs 2 rbs and a fb to graduation. He worked hard to keep LOUV in play his senior year.

The only reason I would pass on a qb in 2018 is because we can get a development guy in rnds 3 or 4 and the 2019 qb class is pretty good if we have to dip back into the draft for a qb. Which we probably will have to do.

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Date: March 20, 2018 10:02AM


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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: March 20, 2018 02:45PM


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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: March 20, 2018 08:48PM

Folks, we have to get back to the reality that we really don't know if Tannehill will be back for this year...........or ever for that matter in 2019. And even if he does come back in 2018, that we are not going to have a plan for the future and will be looking at a much worse college QB class in 2019.

We also have to get back to the reality that this is the best QB draft since the Luck, Cam Newton, etc. draft.

We also have to get back to the reality that having traded away Ajayi, we can't just say, "Hey, so we just give the ball to Ajayi more."

We cannot let this draft go and use our number 1 pick to draft oline or dline and end up with either another Pouncey or Dion Jordan at best or follow the even worst advice from one of our posters......trade away our top pick for a low middle first round pick or a low first round pick AND a third and fourth round pick.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: March 21, 2018 04:35AM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Folks, we have to get back to the reality that we
> really don't know if Tannehill will be back for
> this year...........or ever for that matter in
> 2019. And even if he does come back in 2018, that
> we are not going to have a plan for the future and
> will be looking at a much worse college QB class
> in 2019.
>
> We also have to get back to the reality that this
> is the best QB draft since the Luck, Cam Newton,
> etc. draft.
>
> We also have to get back to the reality that
> having traded away Ajayi, we can't just say, "Hey,
> so we just give the ball to Ajayi more."
>
> We cannot let this draft go and use our number 1
> pick to draft oline or dline and end up with
> either another Pouncey or Dion Jordan at best or
> follow the even worst advice from one of our
> posters......trade away our top pick for a low
> middle first round pick or a low first round pick
> AND a third and fourth round pick.

That'll work only if someone wants to trade up for pick #11. All the QBs will likely be gone by then. In any event, I'd rather have one impact player at 11 than several average players. When Jeff Ireland was here, he traded down when we could have taken Jason Pierre Paul and we ended up with Jared Odrick and Koa Misi. I'd have rather had Pierre Paul.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: Ken ()
Date: March 21, 2018 09:05AM

Impact player at 11, QB in the 2nd...our best course of action to address our current needs.

To move up now will likely require giving up at least four picks. I'd guess a swap of firsts this year, second and a fourth this year and a second next year...minimum.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: Fins72 ()
Date: March 21, 2018 09:22AM

Ken Wrote:
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> Impact player at 11, QB in the 2nd...our best
> course of action to address our current needs.
>
> To move up now will likely require giving up at
> least four picks. I'd guess a swap of firsts this
> year, second and a fourth this year and a second
> next year...minimum.

That would be way too costly a price for a roster that has more holes in it than a slice of Swiss cheese.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: March 21, 2018 04:28PM

no way one of the top 4 QBs is on the board past pick 6. Would be beyond dumb to trade up for one and I doubt we will. I don't want another space eating DT at 11 (Vae) since that would just be constantly bailing holes on the roster we keep creating (replacing Suh). I've seen some mock drafts where even with all the QBs going both the top LBs (smith and edmunds) are gone. That would be worst case scenario. Not sure what we'd do then, maybe D James even thoguh we are OK at safety

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: thegreathoo ()
Date: March 22, 2018 01:14PM

Mayfield will be gone.

11. Mason Rudolph, generational talent at QB, got to take him

42. If Day 1 ends and Justin Reid is still on the board, move up, trade 4th and 42, move up to 33, 34 and get
Justin Reid S

73. Jack Cichy LB

In fourth rd, Griffen if avail or Eddy Wilson DT

Sixth rd, take a TE, Conklin or Baugh

Seventh rd: I dont care, get depth, bpa, can be any position, QB included.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: March 22, 2018 02:31PM

QB in the 7th?


We gonna get the next leaf or feely in the 7th.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: March 22, 2018 04:11PM

mason rudolph, generation talent?? ok

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: March 23, 2018 12:12PM

Ken Wrote:
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> Impact player at 11, QB in the 2nd...our best
> course of action to address our current needs.
>
> To move up now will likely require giving up at
> least four picks. I'd guess a swap of firsts this
> year, second and a fourth this year and a second
> next year...minimum.

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Mason Rudolph in the second wouldn't be a bad choice.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: dolphan4545 ()
Date: March 23, 2018 02:00PM


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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: dolphan4545 ()
Date: March 23, 2018 02:13PM

Agree- but I don't think Rudolph will still be there in the second round.

Rick

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: March 24, 2018 11:22AM

Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold or Rudolph with first pick.

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: March 24, 2018 05:48PM

you guys want to reach 15-20 picks on the 5th best QB in the draft at pick 11? man I am happy you're not in charge on draft day

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Re: My hope at No. 11
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: March 24, 2018 06:10PM

Don't know who you're responding to, Berk. If the four I described are gone when we pick, then I'm not saying we go for number 5 best.

Really don't understand the "you guys want to reach 15-20 picks" either. Are you talking about the guys who want to trade back?


confused smiley

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