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Evan Mathis released
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: June 11, 2015 12:29PM

He was set to make 6.5 mil this year (7 in 2016) and was holding out for more. I don't quite understand this but i can't see the market dictating more than that for a guard of his age who missed 7 games last year. He is still playing at a VERY high level.

Would be a great addition but this will tell us how they really feel about the current roster.

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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: June 11, 2015 12:32PM

a "must" sign as far as I'm concerned. Even if its basically just a 1 year deal.

He makes us a legit division and AFC contender by filling the one hole that could really hold back our offense.

Hickey and Tannebaum...PLEASE make this happen.

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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: June 11, 2015 12:42PM

I don't see him signing a one year deal after holding out. This would be an awesome get though. He wanted 8 plus mil. per year

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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: June 11, 2015 12:42PM

Adam Beasley ?@AdamHBeasley 1h1 hour ago

A word of caution to Dolphins fans: If there ever was a Belichick free agent signing, Evan Mathis at age 34 is it.

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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: June 11, 2015 12:46PM

Alex Marvez ?@alexmarvez 2h2 hours ago

Paging Mike Tannenbaum ... Paging Mike Tannenbaum ... @MiamiDolphins

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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: June 11, 2015 01:09PM

BTW....his uncle is Bob Baumhower

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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: June 12, 2015 02:25AM

I say we sign him. His salary war was with the eagles. He should be more in touch w/ reality now regarding that salary number he had in his head.

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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: June 12, 2015 04:19PM

As much as I know we need to solidify one of our guard positions, paying this guy 14-16 million on a 2 year deal makes me extremely nervous... Even a one year 8 million dollar deal makes me nervous.. That is a lot of money for a 34 year old player who only played 9 games last year.. The gambler in me says go for it, the logic in me says, proceed with extreme caution... Cant afford to be wasting cap money with all of our big spending as of late...

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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: June 13, 2015 07:06AM

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> As much as I know we need to solidify one of our
> guard positions, paying this guy 14-16 million on
> a 2 year deal makes me extremely nervous... Even a
> one year 8 million dollar deal makes me nervous..
> That is a lot of money for a 34 year old player
> who only played 9 games last year.. The gambler in
> me says go for it, the logic in me says, proceed
> with extreme caution... Cant afford to be wasting
> cap money with all of our big spending as of
> late...


I don't want to over pay him, but a "two" year deal like Jordan Cameron's could work. Its basically a 1 year deal with the guaranteed money spread over two seasons and a base so high next year it would require he get released.

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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: June 13, 2015 10:30AM

Truth- He was due 11.5 million over the next 2 years from Philly and was upset about his contract and wanted a new one... That tells me he wants more then that.... Maybe the market doesn't bare that, if so, he should have stayed in Philly...

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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: June 13, 2015 11:55AM


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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: jsm08 ()
Date: June 15, 2015 03:22AM

Mathis won't sign until camp breaks in early august. he's a vet. he isn't going to kill himself at this stage in his career.

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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: June 15, 2015 05:16AM

jsm08 Wrote:
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> Mathis won't sign until camp breaks in early
> august. he's a vet. he isn't going to kill
> himself at this stage in his career.


That is certainly possible but he probably hurts his value by doing so. Plus he's going to have to learn a new offense and terminology.

That's less of an issue if he comes here since Lazor came from Philly.

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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: June 15, 2015 01:07PM

THE Truth Wrote:

> Yeah, but we could give him a two year deal with
> say 5m in base this year and 8mill next year, plus
> 5m upfront.
>
> He gets 10m this year but the cap hit is only
> 7.5m.
>
> Probably release him next year, and if its a post
> June 1 cut then the 2.5m we eat gets split over
> two years so it won't impact our cap all that
> much.



You want to give him a one year ten million dollar deal or a two year 18 million dollar deal? And you don't think that is overpaying? I was worried about a one year 8 million and two year 14-16 million...
I understand your point with wanting him, we will really be screwed if we don't solidify the guard position.. Makes me nervous signing him though, at his age, being injured last year, and that type of money...

I do feel pretty good that Lazor has some insight into his health and value...

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: June 15, 2015 01:22PM

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
>
> > Yeah, but we could give him a two year deal
> with
> > say 5m in base this year and 8mill next year,
> plus
> > 5m upfront.
> >
> > He gets 10m this year but the cap hit is only
> > 7.5m.
> >
> > Probably release him next year, and if its a
> post
> > June 1 cut then the 2.5m we eat gets split over
> > two years so it won't impact our cap all that
> > much.
>
>
>
> You want to give him a one year ten million dollar
> deal or a two year 18 million dollar deal? And you
> don't think that is overpaying? I was worried
> about a one year 8 million and two year 14-16
> million...


No, I don't "want" to sign him for that. I was merely illustrating one way we can give him a raise without crippling our cap space next year when Suh's bill comes due.



> I understand your point with wanting him, we will
> really be screwed if we don't solidify the guard
> position.. Makes me nervous signing him though, at
> his age, being injured last year, and that type of
> money...

We have about 8m in cap space left this year. We can roll that to next year or we can use it to fortify our remaining potentially 'fatal flaw' for this season.

Frankly, I think we've done enough in other area's to go for it this year.

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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: June 16, 2015 03:25AM

He and Rosenhaus severely overvalued his worth considering his age. They never should have taken a 5 year deal at age 30 if he wanted to cash in. He would have been better of going with a 2 year deal at that time. Now he will be lucky to match his Philly contract. Let alone get a raise. He's not getting the Iupati or Franklin deal at age 33. Players at that age wear down at the end of the season. We can't afford another flame out in December. I would make him an incentive laden contract that tops out at 6 mil and wait.

And frankly I would wonder about his intelligence level....I mean, who asks for a new contract with two years remaining AND after missing 7 games to injury?????? Delusional??



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/16/2015 06:17AM by JoeFootball.

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Re: Evan Mathis released
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: June 16, 2015 12:50PM

Who asks for a new contract with two years remaining AND.....

Hell, Joe, they all do; they are all delusional.

Dez Bryant is a good example. $12M for one year not good enough? Give me a break. Yeah, I understand he wants a long-term deal, but to hold out with $12M sitting there? Sign the deal, then work on a long term. That's how these things "usually" get worked out, anyway.

Delusional? Yeah, I would say so.

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