I forget who brought this up a few years ago, but it really seemed to ring true this year(it might have been Dolfanmark)... Hartline isn't a very good WR on the outside. He is good in the slot, inside, in motion, etc. When Lazor started moving Wallace from just being an outside guy last year and the emergence of Landry in the slot, Hartline was primarily in a spot he hasn't thrived in, playing on the outside.. If the Dolphins plan on using Landry and Wallace on the inside in the future as they did last year then Hartline really doesn't have much future or value to us playing as an outside WR... Which is most likely why Hartline was upset about last year... He was being put into spots he really doesn't do well.. Which minimized his impact on the team...

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Hartline had 8 receptions from the slot in 2013. He had 4 in 2012. he played on the outside and if you remember correctly, the bitch in 2013 was that he was on the same side of the field every play (outside) with Wallace on the opposite side. They did not even huddle.

In 2012 Davone Bess had 43 receptions from the slot. In 2013 it was split between Gibson and Mathews. 66 receptions combined.

Hartline had his best years on the outside.

We need to trade Hartline. He is a slow overpaid possession receiver that cant get separation or score

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> We need to trade Hartline. He is a slow overpaid
> possession receiver that cant get separation or
> score

And yet, he led the Dolphins in:

2010- Yards per reception and yards after catch
2011- Yards per reception
2012- Catches, yards, and yards per reception
2013- Catches, yards, and yards per reception

dolfanmark Wrote:
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> jlyell13 Wrote:
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> > We need to trade Hartline. He is a slow
> overpaid
> > possession receiver that cant get separation or
> > score
>
> And yet, he led the Dolphins in:
>
> 2010- Yards per reception and yards after catch
> 2011- Yards per reception
> 2012- Catches, yards, and yards per reception
> 2013- Catches, yards, and yards per reception

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Won't Hartline be a FA? Even so, he would be valuable to Miami, but he would have to take a reduction in salary.

Doubtful he would be able to sign with any other team at his present numbers.

Hartline is under contract through 2017. If he was traded, the other team would only take on his base salary of 5.9 mil. Not the entire 7.35 cap hit.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> He was being put into
> spots he really doesn't do well.. Which minimized
> his impact on the team...


Give this man a gold star.

Good coaches know what their personnel are good at, and put them into positions to use their talents to team's benefit.

Hartline gets cut because Philbin and Lazor didn't use him the right way.

And Mike Wallace probably gets cut for the same reason...though they'll blame it on him being a malcontent.

Dumb and dumber...

Then they go to other teams and do exceptionally well.

Our coaches stink.

This organization needs a facelift from top to bottom.

Me third.

cshashaty Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
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> > He was being put into
> > spots he really doesn't do well.. Which
> minimized
> > his impact on the team...
>
>
> Give this man a gold star.
>
> Good coaches know what their personnel are good
> at, and put them into positions to use their
> talents to team's benefit.

>
> Hartline gets cut because Philbin and Lazor didn't
> use him the right way.


So Philbin gets no credit for using him the right way the two years before that?

Perhaps its just as simple as Hartline doesn't have the skill set to excel in an offense that requires short area quickness/change of direction, and run after the catch ability from its WR's?

THE Truth Wrote:
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> So Philbin gets no credit for using him the right
> way the two years before that?

Of course he does, and that makes today's decision to release Hartline even more egregious because he and Hickey know what Hartline can do when used properly.

Hartline is fully capable of playing in the current offensive scheme. The Dolphins are supposed to be in the business of acquiring good players, not letting them go.

The Dolphins are not a better team without Brian Hartline.



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cshashaty Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
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> > So Philbin gets no credit for using him the
> right
> > way the two years before that?
>
> Of course he does, and that makes today's decision
> to release Hartline even more egregious because he
> and Hickey know what Hartline can do when used
> properly.

If we were still Running Sherman's offense then I'd agree with you.

But we aren't. Its the rare player who is going to produce at the same level no matter the system he's in. Hartline isn't one of those guys.


>
> Hartline is fully capable of playing in the
> current offensive scheme. The Dolphins are
> supposed to be in the business of acquiring good
> players, not letting them go.
>


Playing and Excelling are two different things.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on just how much of a fit he is or isn't in Lazor's system.




> The Dolphins are not a better team without Brian
> Hartline.


That depends entirely on who they replace him with. So yes...team without Hartline but with an extra $5m in cap space isn't a better product on the field today. But this isn't the team we'll be putting on the field in September.

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> We need to trade Hartline. He is a slow overpaid
> possession receiver that cant get separation or
> score

Hartline is far from slow. No, he's no burner like Wallace, but he ran a 4.52 40 at the combine, and a 4.49 at his pro-day workout. And the guy was a star track athelete in high-school as well. Criticize Hartline for whatever, but saying he was slow is just completely misinformed.

I wouldn't call him a pure "deep threat" like Wallace, but he was a lot more than a "possession receiver" in the Oronde Gadsden mold. The guy could get downfield pretty effectively, and did so for us more than a few times.



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Hartline will sign with pats and dominate.

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> Hartline will sign with pats and dominate.


Oh no! Is it too late to declare a "do over?"

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> > Hartline will sign with pats and dominate.
>
>
> Oh no! Is it too late to declare a "do over?"


what would the the point? we've seen the same story play out over and over again and still make the same moronic moves.

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Is anyone really fearful of the damage Hartline would do as a Patriot? he is scaring no one. Besides he doesn't really fit the system in NE.

He will end up in the mid-west.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> > berkeley223 Wrote:
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> > > Hartline will sign with pats and dominate.
> >
> >
> > Oh no! Is it too late to declare a "do over?"
>
>
> what would the the point? we've seen the same
> story play out over and over again and still make
> the same moronic moves.

Would you like to wager on whether or not he ends up in NE?

He will prob end up in cle or Indy. My real point was that in a good system with coaches who use him correctly he is much better than we saw last year and not just useless roster fodder . Let's see how he does w andrew luck.

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I think berk just said that Sherman was a better coach then Lazor.......kinda

berkeley223 Wrote:
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My real point
> was that in a good system with coaches who use him
> correctly he is much better than we saw last year
> and not just useless roster fodder . Let's see how
> he does w andrew luck.

And I think you are absolutely correct BUT he doesn't fit and we couldn't acquit the high price tag.

Hartline is great possession receiver in a traditional WCO...he will be a great #2 in Indy. Doesn't make him any better in Lazor's offense.

Our coaches aren't good enough to adapt the scheme around the players...so it's in Hickey's best interest to let him go.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> JoeFootball Wrote:
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> > Is anyone really fearful of the damage Hartline
> > would do as a Patriot?
>
> The pattern is that what we consider to be
> discards work out fine for other teams so
>
> YES!!!!
>
>
> he is scaring no one.
>
> Neither did Welker at the time.

Look at NE's Wr's...quick twitch, quicker than fast receivers. Not that NE couldn't adapt but they're too smart to pay BH what he will be offered on the open market.

Welker is not Hartline....Hartline is very close to peaked. Welker was still up and coming And learning, IMO.

No doubt BH is a 1k receiver in NE's offense....with 4 TD's.