dolphaholic Wrote:
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> Look up, it's like 6 inches above
>
> "Well, if that's true, take him in the second
> round or Cody Kessler in the first or second
> round."


Dude, Its not worth it.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> You know I'm tired of the same thing over and over
> again. Drafting for need. Seems like it was just
> yesterday that we drafted Jake Long and have been
> drafting olinemen, Dlinemen like Dion Jordan, and
> with the brief exception of Tannehill, we are
> drafting either oline or dline and taking 3rd or
> later round shots at rbs, wrs, and qbs.
>
> I know the stat geeks will jump on this.
>
> I'd like to see us do something bold in the next
> draft. Grab Bret Hundley, QB, UCLA.
>
> get the best player on the board available to us
> without regard to position and try to build team
> around him like Shula built around Griese.


Couldn't agree more. But we won't. A coach on the hot seat trying to prove the last three years weren't as lackluster as they seem will keep right on 'drafting for need' as we have for the last decade (with the exception of DJ...not really sure what sober person could of seen him as a need and certianly not a BPA at #3 Overall).

No Chyren, we'll keep right on trying to build a bulletproof NASCAR chassis to run our Prius engine in...

KB Wrote:
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> ChyrenB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You know I'm tired of the same thing over and
> over
> > again. Drafting for need. Seems like it was
> just
> > yesterday that we drafted Jake Long and have
> been
> > drafting olinemen, Dlinemen like Dion Jordan,
> and
> > with the brief exception of Tannehill, we are
> > drafting either oline or dline and taking 3rd
> or
> > later round shots at rbs, wrs, and qbs.
> >
> > I know the stat geeks will jump on this.
> >
> > I'd like to see us do something bold in the
> next
> > draft. Grab Bret Hundley, QB, UCLA.
> >
> > get the best player on the board available to
> us
> > without regard to position and try to build
> team
> > around him like Shula built around Griese.
>
>
> Couldn't agree more. But we won't. A coach on
> the hot seat trying to prove the last three years
> weren't as lackluster as they seem will keep right
> on 'drafting for need' as we have for the last
> decade (with the exception of DJ...not really sure
> what sober person could of seen him as a need and
> certianly not a BPA at #3 Overall).
>
> No Chyren, we'll keep right on trying to build a
> bulletproof NASCAR chassis to run our Prius engine
> in...

Just to clarify...you are agreeing with Bob that we should draft a QB in the first round to carry a clipboard instead of wasting it on a Jake Long or Dion Jordan type?

Anyone that thinks we should draft a QB in the first rd is nuts..

27 TD's 12 int's 66.4comp% 4045 yards 92.5 passer rating..

Yeah we should get rid of that right away...

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Crowder, the consensus is that Bret Hundley will go in the SECOND round.

Are you saying that if he were there, you would NOT take him?

Look what happened to Knowshon Moreno.

One bad step putting the pressure awkwardly on the wrong foot at the wrong time......(not getting hit like a lot of people mistakenly believe).....

so, if like Knowshon, it happens early next season, what happens to the 2015 season that everyone is holding out hope that after year after another year of 8-8, we would be looking at?

So you went from suggesting we get bold and draft competition for Tanney in the 1st/2nd rnd.....to just making sure we get a good backup? You've set a record for moving the goalpost on this one my friend

Our biggest needs are on Defense. We need everything--DT, DL, LB, CB, and FS.
Man why is it so hard to just sign a FA guard or turn one of the many 3d round picks we've spent on them into something servicable? I expect Billy Turner to be our starting RG (whoever suggested trying him at LT PLEASE bite your tongue we've gotten nowhere trying OL at "new" positions) find a LG somewhere NOT the first round.
Another offseason, same as all the others.....

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dolphaholic Wrote:
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> So you went from suggesting we get bold and draft
> competition for Tanney in the 1st/2nd rnd.....to
> just making sure we get a good backup? You've set
> a record for moving the goalpost on this one my
> friend

They are not necessarily mutually exclusive, my friend.

At least you got one thing right, Hundley would fit my criteria of being a mobile QB with some read option experience so the offense wouldn't have to be changed too much if RT got hurt, but no way am I taking a backup QB until after the 4th rnd

I guess but that was at North Dakota and he was projected out of the draft as a guard and I guess there had to be a reason for that. No?

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Turner only played RG out of necessity. He was originally at LG until we signed Colledge. Turner at one point was starting at right guard after Thomas failed to nail it down. He then was injured (turf toe) and wound up out of the picture altogether. The window had closed.

I think there is a good chance he starts next year but my guess would be as the LG, not right....IF there are no setbacks.

With his experience at RT as well as LT, and the fact we will be without our franchise LT for the start of the season, means they will probably make more moves out of necessity. It would make more sense to let James stay at home as he was not great as a LT. This doesn't shake up the starters quite so much IF he can do it at the NFL level.

As you said we have many need on the other side of the ball but I would say there is just as good a chance that we draft o-line in the first. Especially after the success Dallas has had and how much it improved their team.

Obviously, you don't give up on drafting a position because the prior regime failed at that position.

In the long run I think the objective is to have....

LT Albert
LG Turner
C Pouncey
RG rookie (TJ Clemmings)
RT James

(They don't seem to have much faith in Smith)

That is a pretty good line IMO BUT we may have to start the season with...

LT Turner
LG Smith
C Pouncey
RG rookie (or DT)
RT James

Wouldn't it be better to keep James AND the rookie at their permanent positions and just slide Turner inside on the same side when BA gets healthy?

I am leery about giving up on Thomas as I would hate to see another Even Mathis fiasco. He bounced around the NFL (including Miami for 7 games in 08) for 6 years before getting to Philly in 2011 and becoming the best LG in the NFL that same year.

Dallas Thomas is straight up horrible

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THE Truth Wrote:
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> JoeFootball Wrote:
>
>
>
> If we part ways with Wallace I'd guess our focus
> would be on a big, #1 wr/redzone target.
>
> Dream draft for me is that we address our Oline
> and Dline issues in Free Agency and add Melvin
> Gordon in the 1st and one of those 4 wr's in the
> 2nd. Then get a LB and FS in the 3rd and 4th.
>
> Gordon is a stud and he's a terrific leader.

Forget the getting rid of WALLACE crapola. He's done more than most care to admit. He has adjusted his game to a QB who can't throw long to save his life, and a Coaching Staff w/intelligence but no guts. Before WALLACE, we saw "8-In-The-Box" all day EVERY day, w/no ability to do a thing about it. And we were a joke. WALLACE changed THAT tactic overnight, and he does so just by stepping onto the field. And he has drawn double-coverage virtually every play, sometimes disguised, often NOT. Imagine if we had another solid WALLACE-like "burner" at WR to go w/HARTLINE and LANDRY.

GET RID OF WALLACE? Want to start seeing "8-In-The-Box" AGAIN? Want to be UNABLE to PUNISH "8-In-The-Box"...AGAIN??? Are you longing for the good ole days of 4-12?

We should all know where the problem lies. It can't be much more obvious. Remember what a difference-maker ZACK was on "D"? Remember the days when teams couldn't run on us no matter WHO their HB was? Still think that we're better off as we are versus as we were when Big PAUL was our 2nd DT rather than ODRICK? I can't speak for any of you, BUT I REMEMBER!!! And I also remember what a FEAST our DEs used to have when there was no "pocket" for opposing QB to step up into!!!

Lastly, remember what a difference it made when your QB had a count of "5 Mississippi" to find an open WR and deliver the ball? I DO!!!

I see too many panicky fellow DOLFANS, saying things like we need a a better Secondary, better and more durable HBs, and a new O-Line, AND (God save us) a new QB!!! Panic breeds blunders...and failure.

I/m/o, the only thing standing between the MIAMI DOLPHINS and serious contention...that's SERIOUS contention...is 2 topshelf Gs and another Big PAUL. Everything else is just "gravy", or maybe "icing on the cake".

P.S.: I'd like to see M DOUGLAS in Aqua and Orange too! It depends on how we do in F/A as to topshelf zbs Gs.



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ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Is the problem with the pocket that the pocket is
> not there????
>
> On first blush it seems to be.
>
> But look closer and is the problem REALLY that the
> pocket is not there long enough for Tannehill?
>
> Maybe the stat geeks can come up with numbers as
> to hold long Tannehill holds the ball until he
> gets sacked!
>
> A pocket does not last forever.
>
> And let's FACE IT! Tannehill IS NOT a great long
> ball thrower.
>
> Hey, I'm perfectly content to have him run the
> read option all day long because Tannehill is a
> DEADLY short passer on the run. But as long as we
> keep trying to force a square peg into a round
> hole then..............
>
> The point is not a new QB for the sake of a new QB
> but if Philbin insists on running a traditional
> "pocket" LUDUPORCU, maybe we should
> JUST GET A FRIGGIN' ROUND PEG!
>
> Yeah, it sounds like insanity with all of our
> needs to draft another QB even with our second
> pick
>
> but somebody tell me the picks over the last few
> years that have upgraded the OTHER PARTS OF THE
> TEAM BESIDES Quarterback.
>
> Receiver....best player Wallace gotten by trade
> Running back....best player Moreno gotten by
> trade
> Def. pass rusher...best player Wake gotten from
> the CFL
>
> so what the hell has the draft gotten us?
>
> Now I agree you don't get your QB by trade.
>
> But some of these guys are acting like if we get
> Bret Hundley in the second round, that means Tanny
> is benched.
>
> It just means he has to compete for his job.
>
> It just means if he goes out with an injury, we
> are not left with Matt Moore as we are now. (no,
> I'm not saying we keep Tanny, Hundley and Moore so
> I don't want any replies like that).
>
> I'm just saying I'm sick of drafting OL, DL, LB,
> and CB (Jamar Fletcher over Drew Brees) every year
> on the basis of 'NEED' while we continually face
> mediocre seasons.
>
> Maybe we get bold like Shula did with Marino. He
> was the last of the class of six (Elway, Eason,
> Eisaison, Kelly, and Blackledge) to be drafted and
> so the argument could be made that Shula lucked
> into it but I could definitely hear the people on
> this board TODAY (had they been there at that
> time) saying "Geez, we need a better offensive
> line, better receivers for Woodley, better
> defenses to stop Joe Theisman...better.....

Sometimes (too often, i/m/o) TANNEHILL gets "1 Mississippi" before the roof falls in. And too often, the pressure comes right up the middle, w/o a "blitz". MARINO never really had to face much pressure at all, let alone right up the gut, and it showed: it HELPED an all-time greatest pure passer (my opinion) show everyone why he was so. I/m/o, 2 topshelf Gs will do more to put TANNEHILL in the HOF than even his talent level!

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Anyone that thinks we should draft a QB in the
> first rd is nuts..
>
> 27 TD's 12 int's 66.4comp% 4045 yards 92.5
> passer rating..
>
> Yeah we should get rid of that right away...

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Egggggggggzactly.

Ryan Tannehill is the first QB in NFL history that in their 3rd season, threw for 4,000+ yards, 27+ TD's and 12 Int's or less.

Yeah, let's just throw that away.

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JoeFootball Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Our biggest needs are on Defense. We need
> > everything--DT, DL, LB, CB, and FS.
> > Man why is it so hard to just sign a FA guard
> or
> > turn one of the many 3d round picks we've spent
> on
> > them into something servicable? I expect Billy
> > Turner to be our starting RG (whoever suggested
> > trying him at LT PLEASE bite your tongue we've
> > gotten nowhere trying OL at "new" positions)
> find
> > a LG somewhere NOT the first round.
> > Another offseason, same as all the others.....
>
> As a true freshman in 2010, stepped into the
> lineup in Week Three, starting 12 of 13 games
> played at right tackle. Suffered a torn right
> thumb ligament in '11 fall camp -- sat out the
> season opener, but started all 14 games played at
> left tackle. Started all 30 games at LT 2012-13.
>
> He started with the dolphins at LG and also
> practiced at left tackle. He was most recently
> moved to RG. He is no more foreign to LT than he
> is RG. He also practiced at RT.
>
> While Ja'Wuan James, the team's 2014 first-round
> pick, has been used as Albert's replacement at
> left tackle, and that move from right to left
> appears Joe Philbin's final answer, there is one
> player on the Dolphins' roster who spent four
> years as a college left tackle.
>
> That player is Turner, whom the Dolphins have been
> cross-training as a offensive guard for months.
> But Turner gets some work at offensve tackle every
> once in a while at practice.


Just based on watching a game or two of his on tape and without knowing how smart he is or what type of work ethic he has, I believe he can play LT in the NFL. It might take him a year or two to make the jump becasue he came from a small school, but he has the feet and strength to play LT at this level.

He needs to go to guard if Albert and James are healthy, but if he's my backup OT next year I'm ok with it. Talented kid who would have been a 1st or 2nd round pick if he'd gone to a big school.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> Dallas Thomas is straight up horrible


He's definitely not a RT in this league but if you put him inside with a talented RT and C around him he might be serviceable.

LUDUPORCU Wrote:
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>
> Forget the getting rid of WALLACE crapola.

I'd like to keep him because he impacts the game even i we don't throw him 1 pass.

But you are kidding yourself if you don't think there's a very good chance that he's done here.

I'd guess that its probably a coin flip right now as to what happens.

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyone that thinks we should draft a QB in the
> > first rd is nuts..
> >
> > 27 TD's 12 int's 66.4comp% 4045 yards 92.5
> > passer rating..
> >
> > Yeah we should get rid of that right away...
>
> &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
> Egggggggggzactly.
>
> Ryan Tannehill is the first QB in NFL history that
> in their 3rd season, threw for 4,000+ yards, 27+
> TD's and 12 Int's or less.
>
> Yeah, let's just throw that away.


and Andrew luck did it this year..... Tannehill only had Luck beat in completion percentage... but he had him beat by almost 5 percent...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Aqua&Orange Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Crowder52 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Anyone that thinks we should draft a QB in
> the
> > > first rd is nuts..
> > >
> > > 27 TD's 12 int's 66.4comp% 4045 yards 92.5
> > > passer rating..
> > >
> > > Yeah we should get rid of that right
> away...
> >
> > &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
> > Egggggggggzactly.
> >
> > Ryan Tannehill is the first QB in NFL history
> that
> > in their 3rd season, threw for 4,000+ yards,
> 27+
> > TD's and 12 Int's or less.
> >
> > Yeah, let's just throw that away.
>
>
> and Andrew luck did it this year..... Tannehill
> only had Luck beat in completion percentage... but
> he had him beat by almost 5 percent...

Who's game finished first?

Truth- actually A&O is right... Luck had 16 interceptions, Tannehill had only 12, so the "only 12 part" is what Luck didn't do.... But you have to take that with a grain of salt since Luck had 40 touchdowns...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Anyone that thinks we should draft a QB in the
> first rd is nuts..
>
> 27 TD's 12 int's 66.4comp% 4045 yards 92.5
> passer rating..
>
> Yeah we should get rid of that right away...

92.5 passer rating is like 21st among NFL QB's...again, this ain't 1970 we are in a pass happy league where almost HALF of the starting QB's will end up throwing for over 4000 YARDS once all is said and done. 12 already have it and the playoffs haven't started yet.

That said I'm not advocating a QB, I'm advocating the best player available who can be a PLAYMAKER, a leader that will give this team an identity and help us win big games. Sure, every now and then that guy is a Warren Sapp or Lawrence Taylor but most often it's NOT a lineman or DB and that narrows it down lol...

It might be 21st IF YOU INCLUDE all the scrubs who played one or two games. If you just include full time starting QB's, Tannehill was around 11th or 12th.

Actually only 11 Qb's threw for over 4,000 yards, not quite half.

Cutler, Flacco, Romo, Russell Wilson, Dalton Kaepernick, Alex Smith, Cam Newton....NONE of them made the milestone.

Tannehill had a good year in spite of all the injuries and sacks no matter how you try skew the stats.

The only other QB who had even close to the number of sacks was Alex Smith and he is a 10 year VET.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Dallas Thomas is straight up horrible
>
>
> He's definitely not a RT in this league but if you
> put him inside with a talented RT and C around
> him he might be serviceable.


We tried that this year and he was straight garbage

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Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Drafting a QB at all in this draft would probably
> go down as the worst thing possible.


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Not necessarily.

As a poster said in an earlier post, if a first round talent fell to the third round, it could be a good time to grab a QB. Highly unlikely that would happen (1st round QB dropping that far), but one never knows.

However, with the numerous holes Miami has to fill, other positions would be the smarter way to go.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Folks, you have a read option QB that you are
> trying to force into being a traditional pocket
> QB.
>
> If you're going to insist on going that way and
> you can get Bret Hundley in the Second round, why
> not???? At least as someone "in waiting."
>
> What are you giving up???? Another chance to
> draft To linemen like you've done year after year
> after year AND STILL NEED TO BECAUSE YOU HAVE A
> POOR OL THAT CAN'T STOP THE QB SACKS.....
>
> What are you giving up???? Another chance to
> draft To linemen on the defense and still be
> unable to stop the running game of a bunch of
> lambs like we can't now??????
>
> Draft a wide receiver??? We've got Jarvis.
>
> Draft a running back??? With Miller and Williams
> we are set?
>
>
> So what's left? Draft a kicker or punter? LOL.

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Chryen, I know you have been paying attention to the games, so why you are insisting on drafting a QB high in the draft baffles me.

In the list you put in your post, you forget that along with needing AT LEAST one OL, the DL also has to be given consideration. LBing and DBs are also lacking for the Fins. Then, depending on what FOM does during the off season, other positions (may) be needed.

A QB is the least of the Fins' worries.