I gotta say, I've been a Tanny supporter ever since the day Ireland drafted him.

But.....I'm sorry, it's not there. His first 2 games of year 3 have been just short of horrible.

Now it's obvious to me, that the QB instinct just isn't there. He's just not a gamer, and doesn't display a shred of moxie or grit.


Now, after watching Johnathan Martin basically escort pass rushers to the QB, as SF blew one to da Bears, I realized that Tanny is just another one of the many flawed picks that Ireland over-reached on.

Oh well, it is what it is...I'm sure Hickey is already scouting REAL QBs that will be in next year's draft. And unless Ryan finishes the year with a winning record, and a rating of 90 or higher, we will be taking a Q with our first pick.

Over reached? Like the Redskins did on RGIII? No moxie or grit? Like getting sacked 58 times and getting up from everyone and brushing yourself off and never point a finger or complain?

say you think he sucks , say he doesn't have it......but you can't say he doesn't have balls , heart , moxie or great. That's just unfair. I admit ....I saw Mat Moore do somethings that he doesn't , like just side stepping and getting rid of the ball when the pocket is collapsing. But he threw an amazing touchdown pass to Wallace today AND he had several great catches dropped last week and today.

Lots of bad decisions today. We still have 14 weeks left. The injuries concern me. But Ryan Tannehill does not.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

He is a rock out there. I washy hands of him. I don't want him as our QB anymore. Can't wait till draft.

TC--I don't think that Tannehill doesn't have grit or is gun-shy. He's shown us that he'll get knocked down and bounce back to play without complaining. Where he fails is trying to be Aaron Rodgers. Philbin wants him to be like Rodgers--stay in the pocket. However, while he has some talent, and I underscore the words "some talent" rolling out of the pocket and hitting players while moving, at least short passes, he has timing, touch and accuracy problems throwing mid to long passes. When he tries to stay in the pocket to throw slants or hitch plays or go deep you can pretty much expect to throw short or to the backside of the player.

He has fallen way short of being a franchise QB. Watching other mobile QBs, you can see just how far behind he is from them in every aspect of being a QB. Certainly, no one is saying he isn't a nice guy, but he just doesn't display the same talent as so many other QBs.

Towards the end of yesterday's game, when it was already lost, the Bills allowed him time to throw the ball short and complete a bunch of passes that pads his statistics. His numbers overall are not impressive. All receivers drop passes, and we have our share, but it doesn't alter Tannehills inability to throw on time and accurately. The good ones do, the great ones are even better at it.

he is late on his throws. this new scheme is based on timing and getting the ball out quickly. he has to trust his wrs and put the ball where it needs to be.

he makes

some really good throws in tight spots and them miss wide open wrs.

he had a couple screens that were set up perfectly and he wasn't close to his wr.

he's more comparable to henne than a franchise qb.

I don't advocate making a change after the entire team was dominated by the bills but he has to be able to hit the routine passes more consistently.

I hope it's the product of learning a new system for the first time in his career but time will tell.

He doesn't need to be a "running" qb. He needs to be a scrambling QB. The read option is a small part of the offense. San Fran and the Skins are trying to get their qbs to stay in the pocket more and it shows in their QB's play.

I was more disappointed in our lame offensive gameplan. It looked a lot like last years. 5 step drops and tee off. We dictated nothing. Maybe Moreno getting hurt didn't help but it didn't look good from the opening series.

I think its time to go w/ the qb that gives us the best chance to win, Moore.

jsm08 Wrote:
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> you guys are the best.
>
> one week player A is great the next he needs to be
> replaced.
>
> what a bunch of chicken littles.




We should also get rid of Cameron Wake. He got schooled by a 7th round rookie tackle.

Ok...enough nonsense.

There was no way in hell we win this game. I had my doubts when I saw the tweets about the RV lot selling out and the sellout crowd.

My doubts were confirmed when I saw the pregame with the widow of the former owner crying at the raising of the ring of honor banner AND the newly recovered cancer survivor, Jim Kelly in his teary speech.

This entire team was not good....from the not so special teams to the coaching. pathetic effort. ZERO intensity. The Bills played a head game and it worked on just about every player with the exception of Mike Wallace and Knowshon Moreno. One Moreno got hurt, we had NO chance.

Did anyone notice the almighty Seahawks lost to SD. So much for not losing to lesser teams.

I'm impresses with the intensity Wallace is playing with this year.

Now if Hartline and Gibson would show up.

We got swept by Buffalo last season without the help of the widow or Jim Kelly. We just don't match up well with them and our coaches seem to be incapable of formulating a game plan to compensate.

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I wound't be mad if we see Matt Moore start next game.

I mean at least we would have a chance when matt moore throws a pass instead of keeping it and getting sacked like tannehill does.

I was screaming about the gameplan all during the game. Calling pass plays that have RT sitting in the pocket 4 seconds after the snap waiting for players to come open was stupid. Especially, when RT was under pressure 2-3 seconds after the snap throughout the first three quarters...I counted. We continue to try screens when we have not been able to do one sucesfully in 10 years.

Moreno is a major loss and unless we pull a rabbit out of the hat with Williams we have no running game left.

Special Teams was simply a disaster.

Our pass rush cannot continue to be a fifty-fifty proposition...one week we have one and the next we don't.

Our receivers need to do better...they were mostly crap yesterday.

Our TE may have been on the bench yesterdaty because they certainly were not on the field.

Mistakes...can't have them.

Offense as a whole...we have to be agressive all of the time. Going into a shell and getting all conservative helps no one but the opposition.

RT needs to develop some fire and intensity...being level headed is great when things are not going well but now he needs to augment that positive with a bit of screaming at people including himself. It would show his teammates that he does care and that he wants to pump them up.

Just an overall pathetic effort yesterday from almost everyone.

To answer the OP...NO, absolutely not, we don't give up on RT.



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PFF

Brandon Fields, P: -2.3

Breakdown: Disregarding the punt of Fields that was blocked as it wasn’t his fault, his performance was still underwhelming at best. He specifically struggled getting distance on his kicks when deep in Miami’s territory, which helped contribute towards Buffalo’s advantage in field position.

Fields had punts of 29 and 33 yards.



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ST's killed us!

Blocked punt

102 yard kickoff return for a TD

crappy punting all day.

Offense...gave up 4-6 sacks, 5 dropped passes

Defense...ZERO pass rush

But yeah, it's Tannehill's fault alone.



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Hooligan2 Wrote:
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> We got swept by Buffalo last season without the
> help of the widow or Jim Kelly. We just don't
> match up well with them and our coaches seem to be
> incapable of formulating a game plan to
> compensate.

Different teams in 2013.

I won't argue about coaching. not a good job by anyone.

Time for a top draft QB

OMG dolfin you even say the same thing with both handles you spammer.

Yeah, you just said that. Troll.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Over reached? Like the Redskins did on RGIII? No
> moxie or grit? Like getting sacked 58 times and
> getting up from everyone and brushing yourself off
> and never point a finger or complain?
>
Big deal that he got knocked down 58 times and got back up!

Grit is when you get knocked down, and get back up, and then MAKE A PLAY!

Moxie is overcoming retarted coaching.. It is coming back from a bad performance again and again. It is something Dan Marino had. It is something Tannehill does not have much of.

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> OMG dolfin you even say the same thing with both
> handles you spammer.


Samsam, I know you're an emotional fan, but how can you continue to call this guy (these guys?) out for ragging on Tannehill, when you were posting worse stuff during the game about him?



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> samsam3738 Wrote:
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> > OMG dolfin you even say the same thing with
> both
> > handles you spammer.
>
>
> Samsam, I know you're an emotional fan, but how
> can you continue to call this guy (these guys?)
> out for ragging on Tanneyhill, when you were
> posting worse stuff during the game about him?


Im a dolphin fanatic and he is not. He is a proven spammer.

Its not these guys.......Its just him...chren proved it.

Chryen, to answer your question I think the phins should mix in more read option. I was calling for it yesterday on a few occasions but I don't think that becomes a staple of the offense.

If you look at the 2 running QBs RGIII and Kapernick, their teams are trying to make them more traditional QBs because running qbs don't last in this league. I didn't include Wilson because I look at him as more of a scrambler that can make plays with his feet.

Kap threw 3 ints last night because he's just not a good qb. RGIII is the same. To win consistently and keep your qb healthy they have to be able to read a defense and go through their progressions.

I do think the phins should utilize that aspect of Tannehills game but not make it a staple of the offense. I'd like to see him leave the pocket more often if nothing is open after 3 seconds.

I don't think Lazor has scratched the surface of his new offense yet. I think your boy Philbin wanted to show the bills he could take those 5 step drops and win with his new oline and it backfired.



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> TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> > Over reached? Like the Redskins did on RGIII?
> No
> > moxie or grit? Like getting sacked 58 times and
> > getting up from everyone and brushing yourself
> off
> > and never point a finger or complain?
> >
> Big deal that he got knocked down 58 times and got
> back up!
>
> Grit is when you get knocked down, and get back
> up, and then MAKE A PLAY!


Then give him a chance to do just that. If you were real fans you would be cheering him on the REST of the season and then evaluate him. I'm almost hoping you guys are really just spammers from other teams. Because with fans like you , The Dolphins don't need fans from other teams ragging on them.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> or run more plays that are more complimentary to
> and/or suited to his talents? He has consistently
> shown that he is inconsistent in the pocket. From
> avoiding sacks to overthrowing receivers to
> underthrowing receivers.
>
> Is he just a bad QB or is he just not designed to
> be a Darryl Lamonica or a Dan Marino type pocket
> quarterback?

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I didn't see yesterday's game (blessing in disguise?), but from what I've been reading here and in the on line Dolphin news, RT has not improved, and (again) missed on long ones to Wallace?

Look, I like RT, but my main loyalty is to whomever can help this team win. If that's RT, so be it...if it's Moore, so be it. Just get someone behind center who will make a difference.

If RT doesn't improve and Miami finishes the season out of the playoffs (again) I would highly recommend Hickey (if he is still with the Fins) to do whatever is necessary to get a "blue chip" QB in next year's draft. And...if Miami is out of the playoffs, Ross will, once again, be hitting the road looking for a new HC.

Miami has had a lot of injuries, thus far, but cannot use that as an excuse. Just look around the league at the amount of injuries, and quite a few of them to the teams' superstars.

Have to move on, no excuses.

True but it's a little soon (after one loss) to start looking for the falling sky. He has this year to prove his worth. Actually he probably has about half a season depending on the way it goes.

He will either do one of three things....

Bounce back and continue to improve

continually stink (and get benched) - I doubt this happens.

have a bad game followed by a couple good games and then a couple bad games. It will be hard to yank him in this scenario.

Personally, I would just let him play the year out. What if Matt Moore comes in at mid-season and plays well but we still end up with 7 or 8 wins? We end up drafting in the middle and miss out on the blue chip QB.

Let him play it out and go from there.

I thought about it a bit more............you live and die with tannehill...

if we stink then we end up drafting really high therefore we have a shot at the better qbs in the draft.

And i cant believe we are talking about the draft today. Its only been one game.

Exactly I don't care who our QB is just win a damn game! Especially against the Jill's.

Just looking at the last drive of the first half tells me that something is terribly wrong in Camelot. With over two minutes AND three TOs who can explain why we didn't try for points. I'm thinking there may be something to the recent post that the coaches are getting impatient with Tannehill's progress or lack there of.
What I read was that it was Philbin's call to hand the ball off and pray for a miracle. That certainly was not an overwhelming show of support for Tannehill or his abilities. I'd love to know if Lazor agreed with that strategy.
It would have been nice to go into the locker room on a positive note.
This poll should have included the option of $hit-canning Failbin.

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isn't it this offseason we need to decide whether to invest big $$ in RT or move on? I think we hold a team option which to exercise we need to pay him many millions or let him go. So we need to get a full year out of him so we can make this decision once and for all.
What troubles me about RT is his accuracy. We all know he can't throw the deep ball but WTF were some of those screen passess that weren't within 5 yards of the open receiver. You cannot teach accuracy so I can't see how that will ever change.

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