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Don Jones
Posted by: Finshady ()
Date: May 11, 2014 04:28AM

I like the fact that he said what was on his mind about Michael Sam

freedom of speech is still relevant in the great country. No matter how

many bleeding heart liberals try to take that right away if your opinion

differs from theirs sad really. Not every one is going too like Sam, and

that kiss with his boyfriend. Makes me cringe just too think about it.

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: Sickofit+1 ()
Date: May 11, 2014 04:56AM

Yeah I know this is why gays to me are perverted because they are defined about there sexuality. Stop flaunting it geesh. Look at me I'm gay let me always talk about boys and do gay things when on camera! I hate the media.

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: May 11, 2014 05:13AM

Sickofit+1 Wrote:
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> Yeah I know this is why gays to me are perverted
> because they are defined about there sexuality.
> Stop flaunting it geesh. Look at me I'm gay let me
> always talk about boys and do gay things when on
> camera! I hate the media.


They are only defined by their sexuality by people who fear their sexuality, people who would deny them the same rights they themselves enjoy in this country and cloak that denial in free speech or "faith".

This really is a non issue. Everyone knew he was gay before yesterday. He was enjoying the biggest moment of his life with the people he loved. You knew the score. You didn't have to watch. I didn't, and I have zero issues with how he lives his life. Yet you did. Why is that?

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: May 11, 2014 05:45AM

THE Truth Wrote:
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You didn't have to
> watch. I didn't, and I have zero issues with how
> he lives his life. Yet you did. Why is that?


It was on every single sports center, outside the lines, today show ,and every other channel on tv.. If you missed it you must have had your TV shut off.. Because I fished in a tournament all day yesterday, and in the few waking hours i have been home I have seen it 12 times... Why? Because that is what he and the gay mafia wanted...

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Nietzsche

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: May 11, 2014 06:01AM

THE Truth Wrote:

> They are only defined by their sexuality by people
> who fear their sexuality, people who would deny
> them the same rights they themselves enjoy in this
> country and cloak that denial in free speech or
> "faith".
>
> This really is a non issue. Everyone knew he was
> gay before yesterday. He was enjoying the
> biggest moment of his life with the people he
> loved. You knew the score. You didn't have to
> watch. I didn't, and I have zero issues with how
> he lives his life. Yet you did. Why is that?

Bravo! Standing ovation. Best post in a long time.

BNF

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: May 11, 2014 06:03AM

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> You didn't have to
> > watch. I didn't, and I have zero issues with
> how
> > he lives his life. Yet you did. Why is
> that?
>
>
> It was on every single sports center, outside the
> lines, today show ,and every other channel on tv..
> If you missed it you must have had your TV shut
> off.. Because I fished in a tournament all day
> yesterday, and in the few waking hours i have been
> home I have seen it 12 times... Why? Because that
> is what he and the gay mafia wanted...

I have zero interest in the subject. Its fluff news. You knew they were going to cover the story at the draft by the way it was hyped 3 months ago.

It would have been a serious discussion if he hadn't been drafted. But he was so its over. He'll either be able to play or he won't. For me he's just another 7th rounder who has an uphill battle to make the team and its not even my team. I'm not wasting much time following his career.

I give him credit for being the first player to have the guts to go public about being gay. That took courage.

I give him credit for not hitting the talk show circuit and trying to cash in on his situation. Maybe he will down the road if the football thing doesn't pan out, but he didn't make this draft about him, and he could have.

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: May 11, 2014 06:18AM

Truth- I missed what happened in the draft yesterday because i was out fishing... When I got home I couldn't wait to find out what our team did and what happened in the draft... And guess what I got every 5 minutes waiting for actual football stories was over the top imagery about sexuality instead of sports... I don't watch sports for that... But I got it anyway, that is what is sad and sucks...

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: May 11, 2014 06:32AM

How was the fishing?

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: May 11, 2014 06:33AM

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> How was the fishing?


It was good we caught 12 nice kingfish, 5 blackfin tunas and a sailfish

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: May 11, 2014 06:38AM

Nice. Nothing like a good day of fishingthumbs up

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: May 11, 2014 06:42AM

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> dolphaholic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How was the fishing?
>
>
> It was good we caught 12 nice kingfish, 5 blackfin
> tunas and a sailfish

Nice. That's a good day.

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: May 11, 2014 06:57AM

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe."

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: May 11, 2014 07:17AM

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> “There is a cult of ignorance in the United
> States, and there has always been. The strain of
> anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread
> winding its way through our political and cultural
> life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy
> means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your
> knowledge.”
>
> "Where justice is denied, where poverty is
> enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any
> one class is made to feel that society is an
> organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade
> them, neither persons nor property will be safe."

thumbs upthumbs up

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: May 11, 2014 07:50AM

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> “There is a cult of ignorance in the United
> States, and there has always been. The strain of
> anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread
> winding its way through our political and cultural
> life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy
> means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your
> knowledge.”
>
> "Where justice is denied, where poverty is
> enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any
> one class is made to feel that society is an
> organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade
> them, neither persons nor property will be safe."


Spot on.


The first one I know...its Isaac Asimov.


Who is the 2nd?

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: May 11, 2014 08:14AM

"all our knowledge has its origins in our perceptions.."

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

"You can't know, you can only believe - or not".

"All knowledge that is about human society, and not about the natural world, is historical knowledge, and therefore rests upon judgment and interpretation. This is not to say that facts or data are nonexistent, but that facts get their importance from what is made of them in interpretation… for interpretations depend very much on who the interpreter is..."

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: May 11, 2014 08:17AM

THE Truth Wrote:
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> JoeFootball Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > “There is a cult of ignorance in the United
> > States, and there has always been. The strain
> of
> > anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread
> > winding its way through our political and
> cultural
> > life, nurtured by the false notion that
> democracy
> > means that 'my ignorance is just as good as
> your
> > knowledge.”
> >
> > "Where justice is denied, where poverty is
> > enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where
> any
> > one class is made to feel that society is an
> > organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and
> degrade
> > them, neither persons nor property will be
> safe."
>
>
> Spot on.
>
>
> The first one I know...its Isaac Asimov.
>
>
> Who is the 2nd?

Frederick Douglas

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
Nietzsche

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: May 11, 2014 08:28AM

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > JoeFootball Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > “There is a cult of ignorance in the United
> > > States, and there has always been. The strain
> > of
> > > anti-intellectualism has been a constant
> thread
> > > winding its way through our political and
> > cultural
> > > life, nurtured by the false notion that
> > democracy
> > > means that 'my ignorance is just as good as
> > your
> > > knowledge.”
> > >
> > > "Where justice is denied, where poverty is
> > > enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where
> > any
> > > one class is made to feel that society is an
> > > organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and
> > degrade
> > > them, neither persons nor property will be
> > safe."
> >
> >
> > Spot on.
> >
> >
> > The first one I know...its Isaac Asimov.
> >
> >
> > Who is the 2nd?
>
> Frederick Douglas


ahh...thanks.

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: Finshady ()
Date: May 11, 2014 09:15AM

How many 7th round picks were shown kissing their girlfriends or wives after they were picked? Let me answer that none of them those damn straight fellows are boring for the so called new NFL. It's a crying shame that I now live in a country where the majority is oppressed by the minority. Michael Sam won't make it in the league the pressure will be too much, and frankly good riddance too him and his boyfriend yikes.

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: May 11, 2014 09:32AM

Is that you Archie Bunker?

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: May 11, 2014 10:23AM

Finshady Wrote:
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> It's a crying shame that I now live in a country
> where the majority is oppressed by the minority.



In this case, on this issue, YOU are the now the minority shady. I know that's hard to accept, but its the truth.

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Date: May 11, 2014 10:40AM


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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: Finshady ()
Date: May 11, 2014 12:25PM

I don't hate Michael Sam. He made his own bed when he came out before the draft. As for me being in the minority with my views you are sadly mistaken. Being gay will never be truly accepted. Just like being fat or ugly or stupid. This is the way the world works. The world we live in always makes us either fit in or not sadly. Sam placed the spotlight squarely upon himself now he has too deal with the criticism.

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Re: Don Jones
Date: May 11, 2014 05:52PM


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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: jlyell13 ()
Date: May 11, 2014 07:16PM

Or Did Sam come out just for publicity? if he hadn't nobody would have cared if he was drafted or not

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Re: Don Jones
Date: May 11, 2014 09:31PM

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> Or Did Sam come out just for publicity? if he
> hadn't nobody would have cared if he was drafted
> or not


That's quite possible. I mean if I liked to bang 600 pound chicks, or midget circus freaks with 4 inch ear gauges its not something I'd brag about . Whoever you are sexually attracted to is really no ones business. Why did he come out? What was the purpose? Sex and religion. If people just kept it to themselves the whole world would be so much better off.

That said , it still took balls to kiss a dude on draft day. I admire his courage for whatever the reason.

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

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Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: May 11, 2014 10:27PM


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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: May 12, 2014 02:06AM

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> Or Did Sam come out just for publicity? if he
> hadn't nobody would have cared if he was drafted
> or not


We had this discussion months ago.

He didn't come out for the publicity.

He came out to his teammates in August before the season. He made a public statement about it in February because it was going to be common knowledge as teams investigated him for the draft.

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: dolphin ()
Date: May 12, 2014 03:19AM

I thought you meant real fishing like Bass fishing.

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: May 12, 2014 03:33AM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Jlyell, he and Clowney were the two defensive
> linemen on the ALL-SEC conference team.
>
> Had he NOT come out, he would have been drafted in
> the first three rounds.
>
> He certainly didn't do it to better his draft
> chances.


Based on what? Sams measurables are horrible. Just bc u are d player of year does not make u a high draft pick. Jackson Jeffcoat was that as a d lineman at Texas this year and didn't get drafted.

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Re: Don Jones
Posted by: Sickofit+1 ()
Date: May 12, 2014 04:41AM

Yeah I'm sick of America these days. Don jones is not wrong for what he said. I do not like how America is with gay. Too me it is a sexual thing that people want to talk and brag about . You don't see me bragging about how I love woman and vaginas. I applaud don jones for his stance. He is right I don't need to see that shit. Keep your pervertedness behind close doors and stop flaunting.

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