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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: February 18, 2014 11:49AM

THE Truth Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > no I was talking to TCC re Truth, Truth was
> > responding to that
>
>
> lol...let me guess...CB thinks I was talking to
> him....right? Hahahaha.
>
> Of course, its possible that he also made an
> asinine joke about a tragedy in NY, but I doubt
> it. CB's a lot of things but he's not that big of
> a douche.
>
> Unlike CB I keep my promises. After his last
> freak out I promised to avoid him, not too mention
> him or engage him if he'd do the same.
>
> Too bad he can't live up to that offer. He still
> has to beg people to re-post his attacks on me in
> the hope I'll respond to him.
>
> Pathetic.
>
> CB get over yourself. You don't exist too me.
> Life is much better that way.

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Unless a poster is way out of line, I don't put anyone on ignore.

We are all Fin fans and should be free to give our opinions on anything Fins, without other posters going ballistic.

Regrettably, when politics, sex, and religion come into play, then things get nasty.

Keep this board Dolphins and no one should be putting anyone on ignore.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: February 18, 2014 02:49PM

as far as marriage if you think about it for a second...


A priest marries people in the name of the lord.

Whos a priest?

He is a regular person like you and me. A sinner like you and me.

So are people really married?

God put adam and even in the garden?

the reproduced?

Were they married?


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are people really married? or is marriage just societys way of life invented by men. not god.

invented by men......


1. sell your house, half goes to your wife.

2. joint bank account with wife.

etc etc................


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did the big bang really happened? AND we originated from monkeys?

They are very similar to us.

Does god really exist? i think he does.

Do you believe in magic?

you have to in order to believe your soul will go into a better place after death. or worse whichever the case.

Are scientifics right about their theories and the evolution of man?

If they are we are screwed.

Go phins.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: February 18, 2014 03:17PM

I think reading that just cost me a few brain cells....

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: February 18, 2014 03:58PM

You are a philosopher Sam.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: February 19, 2014 12:57AM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> I think reading that just cost me a few brain
> cells....


damn you berk, I skipped over Sams post, saw yours and had to go back and read his, now how am I gonna get those 10 seconds of my life back!

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: February 19, 2014 03:27AM

Now dont go putting yourself down dolfaholic.

There there.....

There is always the block feature.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/19/2014 03:29AM by samsam3738.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: February 19, 2014 03:30AM

BTW i never used the block feature. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Date: February 19, 2014 01:04PM

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> BTW i never used the block feature. I ain't scared
> of nobody.


Its not about being Scared Sam. Life is too short to have to deal with Aholes. winking smiley

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: February 19, 2014 01:59PM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > BTW i never used the block feature. I ain't
> scared
> > of nobody.
>
>
> Its not about being Scared Sam. Life is too short
> to have to deal with Aholes. winking smiley

Yeah and some of us have to deal with the ASSHOLES....calling each other names etc.

LOL.yawning smiley


Some people need to take this board less seriously and get a life.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: February 19, 2014 02:00PM

You're Cuban Sam right? What if someone said the same thing about Cubans? Just ridiculous

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: February 19, 2014 02:04PM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> You're Cuban Sam right? What if someone said the
> same thing about Cubans? Just ridiculous


say what berk?


Anyways. What ever it is they say just take it easy. Live life and do not give a shit what people say about you.

Sometimes people take what they say about them too hard.

People are always going to talk. you just cant stop that.

WHO THE HELL CARES.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Date: February 19, 2014 02:48PM

I LOVE Cubans. best Hoogie out there. And the Woman are Hot also.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: February 19, 2014 03:45PM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> Life is too short
> to have to deal with Aholes. winking smiley


Amen, brother...AMEN! thumbs up

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: February 21, 2014 10:52AM


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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: February 21, 2014 11:58AM

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Crowder52 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Basicly Chyren is saying he doesn't want the
> > Fed
> > > government legislating to the Church...
> > Religious
> > > related programs and universities can have
> > their
> > > support/funding pulled by the FEDs for not
> > > supporting same sex marriage.. That would
> have
> > the
> > > govt legislating to the Church... That is a
> > > problem and will come up in the future...
> >
> >
> > No, that would be the gov't deciding NOT to
> spend
> > public funds on an organization that opposes
> the
> > laws the gov't or the majority of this country,
> > have put in place.
> >
> > That is not the same thing.
> >
> > The Church has every right to stick to its
> > principles. The gov't has every right to
> decide
> > to stop giving it funds from citizens who don't
> > share the church's view on things.
>
>
> The government changed their views, thus putting
> the Church into a tough spot... And there fore are
> legislating to the church.. Churchs don't just
> drop principles because people or a group of
> legislators vote to do so... You can reword it any
> way you want but that is reality... i got no
> problem with gay couple receiving all of the same
> rights as a traditional married couple.. But i
> don't want the govt forcing the church to change
> their principles over funding.. That is BS to hurt
> many great religious programs and institutions,
> they way that the liberals are going to back door
> them... no pun intended... it is just plain old
> crap... GLBT is asking for tolerance of their
> views while they attempt to destroy organizations
> that have differing views, like many church
> groups... That is the joke of the GLBT
> community... They preach it but don't want to
> practice it when the shoe is on the other
> foot....
>
> ps- we are an over 70 percents Christians
> country,so this (The gov't has every right to
> decide to stop giving it funds from citizens who
> don't share the church's view on things) doesn't
> make a lot of sense.... I support the GLBT
> community but I don't support the govt punishing
> the Church over their views and neither do a
> majority of this country...

How are they "punishing" the church?

Its a tax exempt organization. It already gets preferential treatment.

We are a nation of laws. Religions are institutions of faith with principles that don't always match up with the laws of this nation.

Why should the nation give the peoples money to any institution that preaches things that are contrary to the laws of this country?

Its not like they DESERVE federal funding.

Its not a punishment. Its a reality check. They have the right to preach what they want, they even get the gift of being tax exempt, they don't have a right to taxpayer funding to preach against the laws that underpin our society.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: February 21, 2014 12:13PM

So the Government legislates to the church is fine with you... As government changes laws, the Church most follow suit and change their beliefs? It is ok with you that all religious related programs have any public funding yanked because the government recognizes gay marriage and the church does not... That is horrible, these organizations of all denominations do a tremendous amount of good in this country, from feeding the homeless, inner city youths, hospitals, education, etc... It all should go away because they don't recognize gay marriage based on their long held religious beliefs...sorry but that is what is wrong with this country... Everybody wants their rights, at the expense of others rights, that is where we differ... Every group should have rights, I don't have a problem with GLBT groups that do outreach and good receiving public funding to help in the process of delivering those services, whether I agree with all they stand for or not.. And I surely don't believe the churches should be punished for doing the same, that is ridiculous...

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: February 21, 2014 12:32PM

THE Truth Wrote:
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> How are they "punishing" the church?
>
> Its a tax exempt organization. It already gets
> preferential treatment.
>
> We are a nation of laws. Religions are
> institutions of faith with principles that don't
> always match up with the laws of this nation.
>
> Why should the nation give the peoples money to
> any institution that preaches things that are
> contrary to the laws of this country?
>
> Its not like they DESERVE federal funding.


>
> Its not a punishment. Its a reality check.
> They have the right to preach what they want, they
> even get the gift of being tax exempt, they don't
> have a right to taxpayer funding to preach against
> the laws that underpin our society.

RESPONSE: You know even when I happen to agree with Truth I disagree with him (impossible as that may seem).

Tax exemption does not mean that the government has a right to dictate what you do. That's an autocracy, not a Democracy.

One big example is the OTHER CURRENT CONTROVERSY over the IRS denying tax exempt status to certain political groups that anger them. Putting aside the merits of the IRS actions, EVEN POLITICAL GROUPS have tax exempt status.

If POLITICAL groups, and nobody is more political than a political group, has tax exempt status WITHOUT HAVING TO TOW ANY GOVERNMENT LINE OR OPINION, even MORESO a religious organization SHOULD NOT BE FORCED to tow any political line in order to keep it's tax exempt status.

But that's not the issue anyway. As usual Truth has screwed it up.

With this particular issue.....and let's go back to the issue because Truth tends to take people away from it and wildly generalize, Crowder, the ISSUE is that the Catholic Church is opposing the provision in Obamacare that requires them LIKE EVERY OTHER EMPLOYER to provide Healthcare insurance.

The Catholic Church does NOT oppose paying on the grounds that they don't like Obamacare, or socialized medicine or Romneycare or HillaryCare. The REASON they oppose it is because under the law, AN OPTION FOR THE EMPLOYEE TO GET contraception or abortion must be MADE AVAILABLE.

It is that "availability" or access that the Catholic Church is fighting. They are saying that EVEN IF IT IS ONLY AVAILABLE, they, as a church are violating their principles.

That argument is nonsense. If Obamacare FORCED THEIR EMPLOYEES TO UTILIZE those contraceptive and abortion services, THEN AND ONLY THEN would they have a point.

But if the Catholic Church HAS DONE ITS JOB, it should be NO BIG DEAL because its employees would not utilize those services ANYWAY.

What it amounts to, however, is that the Catholic Church WANTS TO GOVERNMENT TO HELP THEM KEEP THEIR EMPLOYEES ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW.

I say that's bullsh*t! We're not gonna write AN EXCEPTION INTO THE LAW just because you can't keep your people straight.

And all you Conservatives out there better hope the same thing because once the Government starts writing EXEMPTIONS from the law to religious entities, it is just a step later from them walking into those religious institutions with a host of rules.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: February 21, 2014 12:38PM

The bottom line is I support GLBT community but not at the expense of defunding Church programs. So the issues at hand are more then about Gay Marriage isn't it? It is an attack on religious funding by the govt... Why does supporting Gay marriage have to be an assault on religion? I support everyone to have differing views and equal respect from all for those differing views.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: February 21, 2014 12:58PM

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> So the Government legislates to the church is fine
> with you...

The gov't legislates...period. As a citizen you can choose to belong to whatever religion you want. You can't pick and chose which laws you want to follow.



> As government changes laws, the Church
> most follow suit and change their beliefs?


That is not what I'm saying, and its not what is happening in the scenario we've been discussing. Its a disingenuous argument.

NOBODY is forcing the church or any religion to change anything.



> It is
> ok with you that all religious related programs
> have any public funding yanked because the
> government recognizes gay marriage and the church
> does not...


Yes. I'm actually fine with that. NOBODY is entitled to gov't funding. That money comes from taxes paid by EVERYONE. The majority of whom don't agree with the church on this subject.


So yes, damn straight that if they want to drink from the public tap (more than they already are by being tax exempt) then they need to be more tolerant of the people whose money that are asking for.




> That is horrible, these organizations
> of all denominations do a tremendous amount of
> good in this country, from feeding the homeless,
> inner city youths, hospitals, education, etc...


They don't need public funds to do that.

I'm not against helping charitable organizations, but the gov't isn't required to help.



> It
> all should go away because they don't recognize
> gay marriage based on their long held religious
> beliefs...


That wasn't why it was going away. Their funding was tied to contraception being available in their healthcare platform. I think you mixed up the issues.

Churches don't have to recognize gay marriages. But a percentage of every dollar they get in federal funding comes from gay Americans.

Its interesting that you have no issues with the church taking their money while preaching against their lifestyle but that's not what we were discussing.


> sorry but that is what is wrong with
> this country... Everybody wants their rights, at
> the expense of others rights, that is where we
> differ...

How, exactly, is a religious institution getting federal funds a "right"?!?



>Every group should have rights, I don't
> have a problem with GLBT groups that do outreach
> and good receiving public funding to help in the
> process of delivering those services, whether I
> agree with all they stand for or not.. And I
> surely don't believe the churches should be
> punished for doing the same, that is ridiculous...


I don't disagree when it comes to a church being able to teach what it believes in.

but its different with healthcare. They aren't just teaching something, they are deciding what benefits they are going to give to their employees, whether or not that employee agrees with their position or even shares that faith. If you are going to deny something to your employees that other employers are offering then you shouldn't expect to be rewarded for it.

Its like health care in general.

If you offer healthcare to your employees there are tax breaks and credits to help with the cost.

If you refuse to offer your employees health coverage, you pay a penalty.

The church is, and should be no different when it comes to this.

If they don't think their employees should be using contraception then convince them of why that is the case.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: February 21, 2014 01:38PM

Religious organizations receive funding only for helping with social services. Those social services that are critical to millions in this country... They do not just help people of their same religious belief or any.. They are just faith based organizations that receive grants to help needy people.. But that should all go away because of Gay Marriage? Sorry that is destructive... Which groups are going to step up and fill that need? The Government? These organizations are also only partially funded for the most part by these grants.. It is in order to do more and have greater positive impact.... They don't demand that you believe what they believe in order to receive help.. They help everyone regardless based on their principles....
These groups and organization are backbones of many social services throughout this country.... I think you are being destructive to helping people based on some anti religious philosophy... Why don't you step up and fill the needs that so many religious groups do and then we wouldn't need them... But guess what we need them... And just because a majority of Americans believe in GLBT rights doesn't mean they also support your position of defunding religious based social services because that religion doesnt support gay marriage... When it becomes about the defunding that will results in this ruling it will makes the topic even more divisive... As I said above, the Gay marriage issues is more an attack on religion then just about equal rights.... That is what is sad... I guess we will have to agree to disagree... This issues is going to get far more complicated in the coming years, and it sucks GLBT are going to be caught in the middle of a much greater agenda by others with different agendas which will impact their cause in a negative way... It is what happens when the extremes of either party push their agenda...
For instance a guy like me who believes in GLBT rights, will not support and lobby against it, because of people like you that have this greater agenda to hurt so much good, just because people don't agree with you.. So down with them..... that is the destruction of this country and the foundations for which it was built.... Extreme party politics.... What is tearing this country apart... We should all be able to see the good that is done on all sides and support that, not destroy and create divisions.... Sad philosophy that will only hurt people that need help...

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All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.
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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: February 21, 2014 01:52PM

Crowder, there is no discussion about defunding Churches because they refuse to either marry Gays or support Gay funding.

The only issue now is contraception and abortion and how it relates to Obamacare and whether the Catholic Church can b*tch and moan about having to provide healthcare insurance for their employees OF WHICH A SMALL PART IS THAT THAT HEALTHCARE INSURANCE gives those employees the option to get contraception and/or legal abortions.

By the way, it's LGBT (Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender) and not GLBT.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: February 21, 2014 02:34PM

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Religious organizations receive funding only for
> helping with social services. Those social
> services that are critical to millions in this
> country... They do not just help people of their
> same religious belief or any.. They are just faith
> based organizations that receive grants to help
> needy people.. But that should all go away because
> of Gay Marriage? Sorry that is destructive...
> Which groups are going to step up and fill that
> need? The Government? These organizations are
> also only partially funded for the most part by
> these grants.. It is in order to do more and have
> greater positive impact.... They don't demand that
> you believe what they believe in order to receive
> help.. They help everyone regardless based on
> their principles....
> These groups and organization are backbones of
> many social services throughout this country.... I
> think you are being destructive to helping people
> based on some anti religious philosophy... Why
> don't you step up and fill the needs that so many
> religious groups do and then we wouldn't need
> them... But guess what we need them... And just
> because a majority of Americans believe in GLBT
> rights doesn't mean they also support your
> position of defunding religious based social
> services because that religion doesnt support gay
> marriage... When it becomes about the defunding
> that will results in this ruling it will makes the
> topic even more divisive... As I said above, the
> Gay marriage issues is more an attack on religion
> then just about equal rights.... That is what is
> sad... I guess we will have to agree to
> disagree... This issues is going to get far more
> complicated in the coming years, and it sucks GLBT
> are going to be caught in the middle of a much
> greater agenda by others with different agendas
> which will impact their cause in a negative way...
> It is what happens when the extremes of either
> party push their agenda...
> For instance a guy like me who believes in GLBT
> rights, will not support and lobby against it,
> because of people like you that have this greater
> agenda to hurt so much good, just because people
> don't agree with you.. So down with them..... that
> is the destruction of this country and the
> foundations for which it was built.... Extreme
> party politics.... What is tearing this country
> apart... We should all be able to see the good
> that is done on all sides and support that, not
> destroy and create divisions.... Sad philosophy
> that will only hurt people that need help...

I don't have an extreme agenda.

I simply think that the federal gov't has the right to decide not to fund whomever they decide not to fund.

Nobody, even for the most altruistic reasons, has a RIGHT to federal funds.

I wish they'd start with corporate subsidies but that's an entirely different discussion.

I'm all for giving a helping hand to those who need it.

I'm not for publicly funding everyone and anyone who asks for it. And I have no problem if the gov't wants to establish parameters for qualifying for that funding so long as they are legal, and they are enforced fairly and equally.


If you consider that an "extreme agenda" then your definition of "extreme" is very similar to that of the word "democracy".

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: Crowder52 ()
Date: February 21, 2014 03:10PM

Truth- if you believe in supporting groups that do good, no matter what their beliefs or side of the isle they are on then we agree, and you are right that is not extreme at all.. I just believe in more tolerance and acceptance of others with differing views.. If groups are doing good for people then I support them.. I don't need them to agree with me on every aspect of my beliefs to support good acts that contribute to society in a positive caring way... In this country a large part of the social services support system are done by religious groups because of their beliefs and infrastructure... I am not a bible thumper at all... I just support the good that many of these groups do and don't believe they should be punished based on differing beliefs... The govt doesn't just hand money to these groups for no reason, they do it, because it is needed service and the groups have the infrastructure and support to do so.. It is not different then supporting a group like habitat for humanity where volunteers with some public funding help provide homes and a better life for families in need... If a religious group wants to build a house for a family and has the volunteers to do so but needs money for constructions supplies. I believe the govt supporting that group regardless of their beliefs is a positive.. Not say sorry we can no longer allow that govt grant for the cause because the group doesnt support gay marriage. Even though what they are doing has nothing to do with Gay Marriage... You see a lot of this type of social support in religious organizations because helping people is a principle of their religious beliefs. That is to be commended and supported IMO. Not punished because the government changed a law that is contrary to their beliefs... I support good and respect, it seems you do as well... That we can agree on and I commend you for... But saying groups that help people and do good should be defunded because the volunteers are from a church that doesn't believe as you, then that is an extreme destructive position IMO... There are laws that these groups most already live up to, to ensure there is no discrimination or religious requirements in how or who they help...

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: February 21, 2014 03:31PM

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Truth- if you believe in supporting groups that do
> good, no matter what their beliefs or side of the
> isle they are on then we agree, and you are right
> that is not extreme at all.. I just believe in
> more tolerance and acceptance of others with
> differing views..


So do I. The funny thing is that the entity in this equation that is actually the least tolerant is the one you are defending.





> If groups are doing good for
> people then I support them.. I don't need them to
> agree with me on every aspect of my beliefs to
> support good acts that contribute to society in a
> positive caring way... In this country a large
> part of the social services support system are
> done by religious groups because of their beliefs
> and infrastructure... I am not a bible thumper at
> all... I just support the good that many of these
> groups do and don't believe they should be
> punished based on differing beliefs... The govt
> doesn't just hand money to these groups for no
> reason, they do it, because it is needed service
> and the groups have the infrastructure and support
> to do so.. It is not different then supporting a
> group like habitat for humanity where volunteers
> with some public funding help provide homes and a
> better life for families in need... If a religious
> group wants to build a house for a family and has
> the volunteers to do so but needs money for
> constructions supplies. I believe the govt
> supporting that group regardless of their beliefs
> is a positive.. Not say sorry we can no longer
> allow that govt grant for the cause because the
> group doesnt support gay marriage. Even though
> what they are doing has nothing to do with Gay
> Marriage... You see a lot of this type of social
> support in religious organizations because
> helping people is a principle of their religious
> beliefs. That is to be commended and supported
> IMO. Not punished because the government changed a
> law that is contrary to their beliefs... I support
> good and respect, it seems you do as well... That
> we can agree on and I commend you for... But
> saying groups that help people and do good should
> be defunded because the volunteers are from a
> church that doesn't believe as you, then that is
> an extreme destructive position IMO... There are
> laws that these groups most already live up to,
> to ensure there is no discrimination or religious
> requirements in how or who they help...


All I'm saying is that the gov't has the right, as the representatives of ALL the people, to determine where the line is when it comes to deciding if the bad that a group does makes the good they do less relevant.

Helping the poor is a very good thing. Preaching intolerance of a segment of the tax paying society isn't.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: February 21, 2014 03:50PM


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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: Finshady ()
Date: February 21, 2014 06:00PM

I'm sorry we got way off track on this subject. The 1st question was would you want Michael Sam on your football team? I say no because it would make some players uncomfortable. Not too mention the constant media scrutiny just waiting for an incident to occur. Can you imagine if a player says something like I don't want Sam seeing me naked. The rights of 52 others players take a back seat to the rights of 1 gay one not freaking fair. So for that reason, and a couple of more I would not want the extra drama from a team and franchise perspective.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: February 21, 2014 06:10PM

Finshady Wrote:
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> I'm sorry we got way off track on this subject.
> The 1st question was would you want Michael Sam on
> your football team? I say no because it would
> make some players uncomfortable. Not too mention
> the constant media scrutiny just waiting for an
> incident to occur. Can you imagine if a player
> says something like I don't want Sam seeing me
> naked. The rights of 52 others players take a
> back seat to the rights of 1 gay one not freaking
> fair. So for that reason, and a couple of more I
> would not want the extra drama from a team and
> franchise perspective.


Why would the rights of 52 others take a back seat to Sam's? Nobody is going to force people to parade around naked in front of the guy.

you put on a towel in the locker room and you don't shower with the guy.

Not really a big deal or even a major inconvenience, let alone an imposition on anyone's "rights".

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: Finshady ()
Date: February 22, 2014 06:30AM

You're wrong if one player is made uncomfortable by Sam being in the locker room how is that different from Sam being made uncomfortable by some of the straight players who might not like it either? Because not all NFL players are going too be cool with an openly gay player in the midst.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: February 22, 2014 06:48AM

Finshady Wrote:
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> You're wrong if one player is made uncomfortable
> by Sam being in the locker room how is that
> different from Sam being made uncomfortable by
> some of the straight players who might not like
> it either? Because not all NFL players are going
> too be cool with an openly gay player in the
> midst.

So far 86% are fine with it.

But even if a few aren't how is that any different than someone being uncomfortable with a racist, or a smoker, or someone's taste in music or food, or being uncomfortable with someone who cheats on or beats his wife?

You have 53+ people on a team. You are living in a dream world if you think they are all going to like each other. There are ALWAYS cliques of people who get along with each other better than they do the rest of the group.

All they HAVE to do is be professional's and treat each other with respect. They don't have to all be friends.

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Re: Here you go would you draft this player
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: February 22, 2014 07:07AM

Agreed about team harmony Truth (or lack there of). John Jurkovich is a sports radio guy in Chicago, he recounted on air once, how Mark Brunell would strongly favor players with similar religous beliefs, that many people from differing back grounds would NEVER see eye to eye on everything.

And the locker room naked thing, players walk around doing interviews butt ass naked in front of men and women reporters/camera guys, I'm sure some of those people are gay and it doesn't seem to affect anybody.

As a side note, Jurko also tells a funny story about throwing up a red alchohol/punch mix on Marinos nice white carpet when he was a practice squad player his rookie year.

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