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Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: February 27, 2009 10:27AM

The Phins just signed Berger. Possible starting center or backup center/guard.

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: February 27, 2009 12:21PM

Nah...he's definately a backup. But we need epth along the o-line, so its a good pickup.

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: February 27, 2009 01:33PM

They must think he is better than Al Johnson

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: realist ()
Date: February 27, 2009 01:56PM

They had already said they need depth at Guard

Joe Berger provides that.

They wanted to challenge Satelle.

Joe Berger accomplishes that. Joe isn't as quick as Samson, but he is beefier. Joe would be an 'adequate' center between two good Guards.

Samson needs to hit the weight room and buffet table and put on 10-15 elbs if he wants to be the man & get a big contract when his rookie one expires.


We will likely still draft a Center/Guard guy in the 2nd -3rd round.

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: February 27, 2009 06:34PM

realist Wrote:
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> Joe Berger accomplishes that. Joe isn't as quick
> as Samson, but he is beefier. Joe would be an
> 'adequate' center between two good Guards.
>
Don't we already know from the Seth McKinney debacle that a bad Center can be disastrous.

> Samson needs to hit the weight room and buffet
> table and put on 10-15 elbs if he wants to be the
> man & get a big contract when his rookie one
> expires.
>
So we bring in a fat guy to teach Samson how to eat?

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: February 27, 2009 06:38PM

when are we going to resign Joe Toledo?

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: realist ()
Date: February 27, 2009 07:48PM

1) Seth McKinney played during the Dolphin dark Ages of CRAPPY COACHING. I am not saying he would have been pro-bowl, but even our great players struggled to play to their potential.

2) Berger is 6'5" 310, so he is not really 'fat' by NFL OL standards. He is a competent back-up at worst and a potential starter at best. likely a very good contract

3) Samson Satelle was NOT a 'bad' center; he just wasn't a 'very good' one. He as tenacious and made some very good plays; however, against 3-4 Nose Tackles he got pushed back. Cam Cameron would have used him in a Zone Blocking scheme with a double team. Bill wants a Center who can tacke on a NT 1 on 1. 300lbs isn't gonna do it.

-They aren't signing a Free Agent who will start from day 1,
-if the draft a guy he isn't likely to be ready to start on day 1.

-signing Berger gives us a back-up, a possible starter, and someone who will push Satelle & Thomas, and buys us time if we do draft a young Center so he can develop.

It is a good signing.


you disapprove?

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: realist ()
Date: February 27, 2009 07:57PM

wow, you guys are mad bout this signing?

there was a lot of discussion about how our OL had no depth, that once Smiley & Thomas got hurt that the play dropped off. And that we needed depth. we also have two Tackles making a crap load of money, and can't really afford another $8 million OL.

Who were we going to sign? You don't sign someone else's starter to 'back-up' money, and you don't sign them to starter money and have them as back-ups. So you sign a back-up to back-up dollars that could start and you let everyone know that a starting job is on the line. And see who rises to answer the bell.

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: February 27, 2009 08:14PM

no the signing is OK, I just don't really see how it's an upgrade over our current backups. just another body it seems like

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: grooves12 ()
Date: February 27, 2009 08:18PM

Also, I don't understand why everyone is so down on Satele... he went from being considered one of the best draft picks in a long time and potential pro-bowler in 2007 to a BUM in 2008??

I don't get it... he hasn't played THAT poorly, and you can't blame a guy for not doing well when he loses BOTH starting guards that play on each side of him and there is no depth for replacements, leaving him with guys not likely to make the 53-man roster of 90% of the league's teams. For one, you lose a lot of talent there, and two, you lose the chemistry and cohesiveness that is needed in the middle of the line. To expect him to excel in that situation is ridiculous, in my opinion.

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: Doug ()
Date: February 27, 2009 11:23PM

i agree, but we're still in need for a starting C. i think the trifecta has their eyes on the draft, perhaps rnd 2... Max Unger or Alex Mack would be a good choice.

"I don't really care what happened in the past, I'm not afraid of challenges. I look forward to them." - T. Sparano

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: Doug ()
Date: February 27, 2009 11:27PM

i agree that satele hasnt proven his worth at C, but im stil looking for a Center to be chosen in the Oline heavy draft. If satele moves to G i think he can excell, and fill a void there.

"I don't really care what happened in the past, I'm not afraid of challenges. I look forward to them." - T. Sparano

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: February 28, 2009 02:05AM


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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: February 28, 2009 03:56AM

I don't think it's a bad signing. I was just in a joking mood yesterday.

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
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Date: February 28, 2009 06:21AM


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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: February 28, 2009 06:29AM

I think we definitely draft a center in the mid rounds. We are in need and the draft is too deep at that position.

But it doesn't mean the rookie will start.

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: realist ()
Date: February 28, 2009 07:21AM

Satelle got caught in the crossfire of changing schemes. He would be great in a Zone system. he is powerful and athletic and intense.

Against a big NT in a zone you double team the NT and then read the LB and one guy releases once the double team has pushed the NT off the LOS. Samson would be very good at releasing and getting up to the next level, or at maintaining leverage on a NT that has been stood up by a double-team.

IN the Parcells system, they want beefy guys who can take on their guy one on one. At 295-300lbs Satelle is giving up too much weight to hold up a DT on his own. I think if he put on 10 of muscle and maybe 3-5 lbs of fat he would find he would be better able to maintain the point of attack.

Satelle isn't really 'fat' and he isn't really 'ripped' either. Although I am not a pro-trainer, I think if he got SERIOUS in the weight room, and stayed at the buffet he could put on the weight between now and July.

he'll need it if he movs to GUard as well...so he best get himself as pumped and heavy as he can without losing his athleticism.

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Re: Joe Berger is back in Miami
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: February 28, 2009 07:55AM

realist Wrote:
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> Satelle got caught in the crossfire of changing
> schemes. He would be great in a Zone system. he
> is powerful and athletic and intense.
>
> Against a big NT in a zone you double team the NT
> and then read the LB and one guy releases once the
> double team has pushed the NT off the LOS. Samson
> would be very good at releasing and getting up to
> the next level, or at maintaining leverage on a NT
> that has been stood up by a double-team.
>
> IN the Parcells system, they want beefy guys who
> can take on their guy one on one. At 295-300lbs
> Satelle is giving up too much weight to hold up a
> DT on his own. I think if he put on 10 of muscle
> and maybe 3-5 lbs of fat he would find he would be
> better able to maintain the point of attack.
>
> Satelle isn't really 'fat' and he isn't really
> 'ripped' either. Although I am not a pro-trainer,
> I think if he got SERIOUS in the weight room, and
> stayed at the buffet he could put on the weight
> between now and July.
>
> he'll need it if he movs to GUard as well...so he
> best get himself as pumped and heavy as he can
> without losing his athleticism.

He certainly has the genes for it. Those Samoans are HUGE.

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