Wallace should have just kept his mouth shut.. Tweeting something as he did, following the NBA players announcement was plan old foolish... Wallace manufactured the drama, and showed seriously lack of judgement.. This is our new franchise highest paid guy, the face of the franchise... Should be interesting, even Brandon Marshall kept his mouth out of trouble for 6 months...

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I dont think what he said was all that bad. I think the worst part was the fact that he deleted what he said, and then apologized for not saying anything really offensive.



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His reply was not bad at all. The drama is created by the press. The guy has the right to come out the closet another guy has the right to comment.

I think it shows poor judgement, but it certainly wasn't hate speech or anything of the sort. IMO - not a big deal, but he'll have to formally apologize or something. People are a little touchy with this being the first big athlete to come out before retiring. /shrug, non-issue.

I agree it wasnt hate speech.. But with the push for players to come out in professional sports, and the first one does, and an hour later Wallace make this statement... Pretty poor choice... People will say what he said would further discourage a team mate of his from coming out... Hurting the gay and lesbian cause... I think it is a fine line. I dont think we should walk on egg shells for people, so in that way, I support Wallace's right to his opinion.. It was just poor timing, and created bad press for him and our organization.. When you sign 60+ million dollar contract, you need to be smarter then that with your public voice...

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Damn, we just lost our Key West fan base because of this guy!

It amazes me that a person would rush out so eagerly to be on the wrong side of history. And just when the movie "42" is the current thing in the movies and show how ignorantly the White professional baseball players acted back then when they had to compete with a Negro.

I was distressed when my nephew (a 49ers fan) alerted to me gleefully that it was none other than our new teammate.

I hope the other players on the team tell him something and that is that "Hey, buddy. You're new here. You need to keep your mouth shut and not be saying things that might be attributed to our team until at least you have been here long enough to be considered part of thIS team."

Whoever made the point about Brandon Marshall was right.

What he said wasn't so bad. But as a Professional he had to know "ANYTHING" said would not be taken well, for or against the issue. That's one you just need to stay away from , you can't win no matter what. I learned that fast and hard in my career. STFU unless asked. And when asked Still STFU. Never had a problem.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

A little bit different in your profession, Treasure but you're right, just keep your mouth shut. Disagree though because if he had said something positive, he would not be facing any blowback but you're right, like the ole folks said to us when we were kids, "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

There's nothing wrong with what he said. I, for one, am glad he said it. As more people come out of the closet, we need to open up the conversation with those who aren't comfortable with homosexuals. We need to educate. I used to be homophobic. Now I have many gay friends. It's all about education.

I don't understand the uproar over what Mike Wallace said on his twitter account because most men agree with him to a point. When has expressing your opinion become outlawed. He can't under stand it, and neither can alot of other people. This does not makes us biggots or anything else. The politcal correctness has gone too far this time. I support what Mike Wallace said, and I hope others will as well. What ever happened to free speech, and a right to your opinion. We all come from diverse and varying backgrounds. This is what makes our country great, and free speech is one of our God given rights. I can agree with what Wallace said, and many others do as well. Please guys feel free to chime in before we get shut down by the internet police once again for crossing the line I suppose.

When you are a Pro , and your Team represents EVERYONE , you need to be careful not to offend anyone. Homosexuals watch football as well. They are contributing taxes that they are asking to help pay for the stadium. It was a dumbass thing to do, even though what he said was not hateful just ignorant.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

Finshady Wrote:
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> I don't understand the uproar over what Mike
> Wallace said on his twitter account because most
> men agree with him to a point.


Actually, most people in this country now disagree with him. Not that he said anything hateful. All he did was show his ignorance.




> When has
> expressing your opinion become outlawed.

He was arrested?




> He can't
> under stand it, and neither can alot of other
> people.


Ignorance is bliss.



> This does not makes us biggots or
> anything else.


Not understanding why someone is different than you (like Mike Wallace did today) certainly doesn't make you a bigot.

Its the being intolerant of that person who is different than you which makes someone a bigot.

I don't think Mike was being intolerant. I think he was expressing an ill-informed opinion, in a poorly thought out fashion.

Frankly, I think his apology/explanation was more than enough.



> The politcal correctness has gone
> too far this time. I support what Mike Wallace
> said, and I hope others will as well. What ever
> happened to free speech, and a right to your
> opinion.
> We all come from diverse and varying
> backgrounds. This is what makes our country
> great, and free speech is one of our God given
> rights. I can agree with what Wallace said, and
> many others do as well. Please guys feel free to
> chime in before we get shut down by the internet
> police once again for crossing the line I suppose.



So Mike has the right to express himself through free speech but others don't have the same right to free speech when it comes to criticizing him for his comments? Seriously?

You have the right to your opinion and to express it publicly. People have the right to disagree with your opinion and to respond to your public comments.

Free speech swings both ways (pun intended).

hey I brought up the subject because I think ploitcal correctness has gone too far. Jason Collins coming out as gay whoopty doo. I am not gay whoa I finally got that off of my chest. What does it mater, and homosexuality will never be truly accepted by everyone in our society that is the truth my friend. People say one thing, and think another. One other point no parent wants their child too be gay. If they are then fine they'll accept them, but they would rather not have to go through the experience because of the ramifications of coming out. I am just stating my opinion wants again.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Finshady Wrote:
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> -----
> > I don't understand the uproar over what Mike
> > Wallace said on his twitter account because
> most
> > men agree with him to a point.
>
>
> Actually, most people in this country now disagree
> with him. Not that he said anything hateful.
> All he did was show his ignorance.
>
>
>
>
> > When has
> > expressing your opinion become outlawed.
>
> He was arrested?
>
>
>
>
> > He can't
> > under stand it, and neither can alot of other
> > people.
>
>
> Ignorance is bliss.
>
>
>
> > This does not makes us biggots or
> > anything else.
>
>
> Not understanding why someone is different than
> you (like Mike Wallace did today) certainly
> doesn't make you a bigot.
>
> Its the being intolerant of that person who is
> different than you which makes someone a bigot.
>
> I don't think Mike was being intolerant. I think
> he was expressing an ill-informed opinion, in a
> poorly thought out fashion.
>
> Frankly, I think his apology/explanation was more
> than enough.
>
>
>
> > The politcal correctness has gone
> > too far this time. I support what Mike
> Wallace
> > said, and I hope others will as well. What
> ever
> > happened to free speech, and a right to your
> > opinion.
> > We all come from diverse and varying
> > backgrounds. This is what makes our country
> > great, and free speech is one of our God given
> > rights. I can agree with what Wallace said,
> and
> > many others do as well. Please guys feel free
> to
> > chime in before we get shut down by the
> internet
> > police once again for crossing the line I
> suppose.
>
>
>
> So Mike has the right to express himself through
> free speech but others don't have the same right
> to free speech when it comes to criticizing him
> for his comments? Seriously?
>
> You have the right to your opinion and to express
> it publicly. People have the right to disagree
> with your opinion and to respond to your public
> comments.
>
> Free speech swings both ways (pun intended).

agreed

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Perhaps another way to say it....this is not "news-worthy" for most of us.

A player coming out, not interesting enough to be "news-worthy" for most of us.

A player (Wallace) saying something ignorant, not newsworthy.

Too much media hype/spin tries to make it into news.


However, THIS is newsworthy:

> Posted by: THE Truth
> Date: April 29, 2013 06:36PM
>
> Free speech swings both ways (pun intended).

CLASSIC!

Finshady Wrote:
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> hey I brought up the subject because I think
> ploitcal correctness has gone too far.

There are times when it does, for sure.



> Jason
> Collins coming out as gay whoopty doo.


yeah...whoopty doo...its not like this doesn't happen every day or that society hasn't demonized people who have done this in the past...


> I am not
> gay whoa I finally got that off of my chest.


Bi-sexual?


> What
> does it mater, and homosexuality will never be
> truly accepted by everyone in our society that is
> the truth my friend.


Our society can't agree on the reasons for climate change, or evolution over "intelligent design".

we still have people in this country who think blacks are an inferior race of people.


Why on earth would you think we'd all agree on something like accepting homosexuality?

20 years ago, 68% of Americans were against gay marriage.

Today, 53% of Americans are in favor of it. And 75% of people under the age of 30 are in favor of it.


The times, they are a changing Finshady. By the time our generations have "shuffled off this mortal coil" the people who share your stance on this issue will be less numerous than those who still hate black people or those who believe that Cavemen rode dinosaurs to work everyday.





> People say one thing, and
> think another. One other point no parent wants
> their child too be gay. If they are then fine
> they'll accept them, but they would rather not
> have to go through the experience because of the
> ramifications of coming out.


Why do you suppose that is? Do you think parents are just upset there won't be any grandchildren? Or could it be that that lifestyle has be so demonized in our society that those who go through that experience have been ostracized and treated like criminals and outcasts to the extreme that no sane parent would ever want to see someone they love get treated like that??

the new intolerance is destroying everyone who isn't "tolerant" enough.

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I'm with Mike... I don't get it either. I don't think I'm supposed to.
If anyone is offended by that...then it's your problem, not mine.

Finshady you said " We all come from diverse and varying backgrounds."

You are right, however, to you and berk, that is precisely why we should be careful not to put someone down for WHO they are and not WHAT they are, Of course, unless what they are are criminals or Jihadists.

Preach it Jim B well said. Many people say they're in favor of gay marriage because they don't want to be branded as intolerant. But in reality it was voted down in California need I say more. You don't get a more liberal state than that. You want me to go further who benefits from same sex relationships. The devil he is trying to destroy God's creation of us in his own image. Those of us that understand this will never support gay marriage. Those who don't probably never will.

I did say that. I also said everyone is in titled to his or her opinion. I just got back from a trip to Washington DC with my son's school. I visited the Thomas Jefferson memorial. On it are the words he wrote that all men are created equal. No where did it say that we should create special classes of people who want to go against the norm of society. Jason Collins can live as a gay athlete, but he does not deserve any special rights like same sex marriage in order to be able to live as a gay man.

I have many gay friends, and I don't understand why anyone would be offended by his remarks. In fact, it's an important thing to say. Most people truly do NOT understand homosexuality. That's just the truth.

Finshady Wrote:
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> I did say that. I also said everyone is in titled
> to his or her opinion. I just got back from a
> trip to Washington DC with my son's school. I
> visited the Thomas Jefferson memorial. On it are
> the words he wrote that all men are created equal.
> No where did it say that we should create special
> classes of people who want to go against the norm
> of society.

wtf does that mean? absurd statement.
once, blacks marrying whites was "against the norms of society." blacks and women voting was too. slavery was the "norm" in this country.
what is your point?

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Finshady Wrote:
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> I did say that. I also said everyone is in titled
> to his or her opinion. I just got back from a
> trip to Washington DC with my son's school. I
> visited the Thomas Jefferson memorial. On it are
> the words he wrote that all men are created equal.


Couldn't agree with you more.


> No where did it say that we should create special
> classes of people who want to go against the norm
> of society. Jason Collins can live as a gay
> athlete, but he does not deserve any special
> rights like same sex marriage in order to be able
> to live as a gay man.

Actually Finshady, when you deny one set of people the same rights granted to another set of people, you are creating a "special class".

The idea that all of us are created equal and endowed with the same inalienable rights means you don't get to say "except for those people because I don't like their race, creed, religion or sexual preference."

Some people might look as marriage as a privilege not a right.. There is a difference..

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Some people might look as marriage as a privilege
> not a right.. There is a difference..


Marriage in a church is a privilege. Nobody is suggesting any religious institution has to operate against its beliefs. If you want the privilege of belonging to that club/religion then you accept their rules.

Marriage in the eyes of the state is a different thing altogether because of the financial benefits attached to it.

You just cannot deny one group of citizens those rights and benefits because you don't like something about them.

Seriously, do you think that gay people don't deserve the "privilege" of co-insurance, inheritance of property, tax benefits, etc. that heterosexual couples enjoy?

What could possibly justify denying those benefits to consenting adults who wish to spend their lives together?