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More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: April 18, 2013 04:29AM


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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: dolfanmark ()
Date: April 18, 2013 05:01AM


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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: April 18, 2013 05:04AM

some folks on here want us to take carradine at 12, however

I also read kiper's article and found it puzzling to say the least. A FB in the 3d round? huh??

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: April 18, 2013 05:12AM


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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: April 18, 2013 05:29AM

Mel's a moron, he's the type that if we took Fluker @ 12, he'd lambast Ireland on national TV for reaching.
Give me Greg Cossell's opinion on players, and i'm good. All of these mocks are pretty much a waste of time IMO.

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: April 18, 2013 05:41AM

None of these retard so called experts know anything. All they do is project..

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: toko34 ()
Date: April 18, 2013 08:19AM

I would not say he is a moron, but his 2013 Dolphins knowledge is definitely lacking. Most of us on this board would make better picks then him if it came to that, but most of us live off the morsels of every action that this team makes. Kiper has to cover all 32 teams and all the college players too. What would be fun is to have a dedicated expert for each team on these draft/ mock draft shows.

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: April 18, 2013 08:27AM

toko34 Wrote:
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> I would not say he is a moron, but his 2013
> Dolphins knowledge is definitely lacking. Most of
> us on this board would make better picks then him
> if it came to that, but most of us live off the
> morsels of every action that this team makes.
> Kiper has to cover all 32 teams and all the
> college players too. What would be fun is to have
> a dedicated expert for each team on these draft/
> mock draft shows.


Fair enough...

But c'mon...3rd round pick on a FB from that football factory known as Harvard?

That's insane.

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: toko34 ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:16AM

He listed FB as a Dolphins need, so probably he went and made this pick in 3 seconds, because he had to fill all the "needs" of each team in 3 rounds.

FB is absolutely not a need on this team.

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:28AM

You can argue with the NAME for the number one pick but certainly not the position.

It may very well be that there is no RIGHT tackle that is worth the no. 12 pick THIS YEAR.

But there is no arguing that Jonathan Martin WAS PITIFUL at right tackle.

DolfanMark has also pointed out that Martin was in the 20's in the NFL at LEFT tackle but he is a rookie, only played there the last 3/4ths of the season, was all-American at the position in college and may need only that rookie year to shine.

To me, REAL stupidity is us drafting an LT and attempting to make do with Martin at RT.

Now I'd rather go for DT or CB at 12 than draft another LT and basically throw Jonathan Martin into the trash can.

Again, for people like TT, who want to attack me, I'm NOT SAYING anything about this guy Fluker in particular, I'm just talking about POSITIONS OF NEED.

LT AIN'T one for us. At least not THAT critical of a need.

If we're going to give Tanny another year before we act like DolphinKing, then we've got to give Jonathan Martin another year as well.

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: April 18, 2013 09:31AM

Fluker is a terrible pick at 12. Tank at 42 is a steal IMO. Watch the Giants grab him at 19. A FB in 3? Is he nuts?

I would give the Dolphins an "F" (for "F"riggin retarded) if that was our draft.

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Date: April 18, 2013 09:50AM

If Mel Kiper had any sense he would be on the Payroll of a NFL team LONGGGGG ago. thumbs down

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: April 18, 2013 10:03AM

more proof:
Kiper and McShay are doing a live mock draft as we speak.
Kipers moves for us:
trade with CAR at 14 for only a 3d rounder NEXT YEAR
draft Manti Teo!!

wtf??

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: April 18, 2013 10:09AM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> more proof:
> Kiper and McShay are doing a live mock draft as we
> speak.
> Kipers moves for us:
> trade with CAR at 14 for only a 3d rounder NEXT
> YEAR
> draft Manti Teo!!
>
> wtf??


We trade down 2 spots and get a 3rd...I'd take it.

Are you saying he gave us T'eo or Carolina?

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: April 18, 2013 10:15AM

a 3d next year--that's like a 4th
no, we get tao, carolina gets tayvon austin, eifert went 13

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: April 18, 2013 10:19AM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> a 3d next year--that's like a 4th
> no, we get tao, carolina gets tayvon austin,
> eifert went 13


I don't have a problem with the trade down scenario but we don't take Te'o.

If we are at #12 and have two players we like, moving to #14 for a pick next year isn't a bad move.

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: April 18, 2013 10:27AM

if moving down 2 spots gets us just a pick next year (3d rounder), I don't like it. And I'd be pissed if the move down cost us Eifert and we ended up with a scrub like Teo (kIPER isa clueless)

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: April 18, 2013 10:29AM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> if moving down 2 spots gets us just a pick next
> year (3d rounder), I don't like it. And I'd be
> pissed if the move down cost us Eifert and we
> ended up with a scrub like Teo (kIPER isa
> clueless)

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The TE position continues to get thrown around on this board, but I just don't see Miami taking a TE in the first.

If one of the top two TEs are still there at 12, Miami won't go there (too high to take that position). If Miami drops down into the 20s, neither of the top two TEs will be there.

If Miami goes after a TE in this year's draft, it will be in the 3rd round or later.

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: April 18, 2013 11:11AM

not sure about that. TE is still a need, despite Keler's 1 year deal. Eifert would likely be the BPA at a position of need when our turn comes, and the goal of this offseason is to give RT weapons above all else. I think there's a good shot we take him at 12

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: April 18, 2013 12:37PM

Te'o ain't going in the first round unless some GM has gone crazy but he probably will be picked up by someone in the 2nd round.

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: dolfanmark ()
Date: April 18, 2013 12:51PM

captkoi Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > if moving down 2 spots gets us just a pick next
> > year (3d rounder), I don't like it. And I'd be
> > pissed if the move down cost us Eifert and we
> > ended up with a scrub like Teo (kIPER isa
> > clueless)
>
> **************************************************
>
>
> The TE position continues to get thrown around on
> this board, but I just don't see Miami taking a TE
> in the first.
>
> If one of the top two TEs are still there at 12,
> Miami won't go there (too high to take that
> position). If Miami drops down into the 20s,
> neither of the top two TEs will be there.
>
> If Miami goes after a TE in this year's draft, it
> will be in the 3rd round or later.

We do not have a TE on the roster who can block, so it's a pretty big need. Keller is on a one year deal. Clay is really much more of an h-back than he is a TE. And Egnew showed nothing last year. So, there is very little depth at the position.

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: April 18, 2013 02:16PM

Scout on NFLN just said Eifert is ranked #10 on his big board.

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: April 18, 2013 02:32PM

Cooper, or Eifert, or trade down!

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: eesti ()
Date: April 18, 2013 03:26PM

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Cooper, or Eifert, or trade down!


thumbs up

for Tank Carradine or Sylvester Williams.

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: April 18, 2013 03:36PM

eesti Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cooper, or Eifert, or trade down!
>
>
> thumbs up
>
> for Tank Carradine or Sylvester Williams.


If we don't end up trading for Albert I'd put Menelik Watson, followed by DJ Hayden as my top two targets after a trade down, and Carradine and Williams would be on my short list for plan B.

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: April 20, 2013 08:35AM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> not sure about that. TE is still a need, despite
> Keler's 1 year deal. Eifert would likely be the
> BPA at a position of need when our turn comes, and
> the goal of this offseason is to give RT weapons
> above all else. I think there's a good shot we
> take him at 12

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Yes, TE is a need, but Miami is not in a position to go after a TE at 12. Understood that Keller may not be in Miami after this season and that Miami needs a TE to replace him.

If I recall correctly, it is rare a TE is taken that high in the draft.

I'm not so sure that any other team will grab a TE before the 20s in this year's draft. I may be wrong, but....

Again, having pick 12 is not a very good position this year. Blue chippers are gone, and what is left are a bunch of guys who are basically on equal footing. Can grab one of those guys later in the first, along with picking up an extra pick (or two). Miami needs a lot of bodies to figure out what they have.

As I mentioned earlier, I am not real confident in what Ireland did during the off season. Sure, he got Wallace, but the rest of them, at this point, are just bodies. The LBers? Not really proven, thus far. Ireland may turn out to be a genius, but right now, I am not comfortable with what is on the roster.

An extra pick or two will help the coaches decipher what they have (or don't have).

I still say no TE at 12 (for Miami).

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: April 20, 2013 08:36AM

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Cooper, or Eifert, or trade down!

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Down!

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Date: April 20, 2013 08:51AM

I'm loving the possibilities of trading down with a Team like the 49ers. The are a much more complete Team. They have more picks then they can afford. Even if we get more picks for next season I'm good with it.

GO DOLPHINS!!!!

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: Finshady ()
Date: April 20, 2013 05:24PM

Fullback is a need because our fullbacks fumbled way too much, and got stopped on 4th down more that he made them. However not in the 3rd round. Javorskie Lane wasn't very good last year. This Harvard kid could be a player but in the 6th round maybe.

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Re: More Proof (if you needed it) that Mel Kiper is a moron...
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: April 21, 2013 09:42AM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> I'm loving the possibilities of trading down with
> a Team like the 49ers. The are a much more
> complete Team. They have more picks then they can
> afford. Even if we get more picks for next season
> I'm good with it.

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I understand this is a very deep draft, but trading with the 49ers? Their first rounder is the 31st pick. Why would you want to go back that far in the first round?

They give us picks for next season....still near the bottom of each round.

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