berkeley223 Wrote:
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> if adding albert "puts us over the cap" (it
> doesn't, we have space now and another 10mm coming
> June 1), then we shouldn't be trading for him and
> giving him all that $$.
> He's not that good. The upside to letting Long
> leave was not sinking a ton of $$ into a mediocre
> LT. And now we want to do it again, and give up a
> 2d rounder in addition?



What's coming in June doesn't matter now.

Albert has signed his 9.6M tender for this year. He's on the books the instant we acquire him. That means you have to account for him now. So if we aren't 10mill under the cap today, then someone has to go to make room for Alberts cap hit.

And $5-7 mill of the money coming in june is going to go to rookies, so we aren't getting that much relief on 6/1.



>
> As for trading Solia and Bess, Bess isn't that
> much $$, and we won't get a high pick for him, so
> he's not really that relevant to the equation. But
> I agree he's is probably not in the long term
> plans and if we draft a WR high this year he will
> probably be gone regardless of anything we do with
> Albert.
>
> As for trading Solia, unless we can get a #2 for
> him, he's better off on the team. Just bc he's in
> the last year of his deal doesn't mean we can't
> re-sign or extend him. Good DTs are hard to come
> by, and worth having around even if just for 1
> final season (unless we are writing this season
> off before it begins).


Lets say you are the GM for a minute.

Nobody is offering you a 2nd for Soliai but a few teams are willing to give up a 3rd and 5th. And you have an offer for a 4th for Bess.

On top of that you have a chance to get Albert for our last 2nd round pick.

Are you going to go with the starting LT plus the 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks...along with $10mill in cap space for post draft signings

or

are you going to keep your back up DT, 4th WR (neither of which is going to be on your roster in 2014) and look for a LT in round 2?

dolfanmark Wrote:
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> >
> > As for trading Solia, unless we can get a #2
> for
> > him, he's better off on the team. Just bc he's
> in
> > the last year of his deal doesn't mean we can't
> > re-sign or extend him. Good DTs are hard to
> come
> > by, and worth having around even if just for 1
> > final season (unless we are writing this season
> > off before it begins).
>
> 4-3 DTs are easier to come by than 3-4 NTs. They
> don't need to be 330-lb guys who can swallow up
> two blockers. $8M is a ton of money for a 2-down
> player. Vernon is up to 270 lbs. If he is ready to
> be an impact player as a DE, that pushes Odrick
> inside, which reduces the need for Soliai. And the
> draft has a lot of good DT prospects. And when we
> pick at #12, a DT may very likely be the best
> player available. It has to be considered. We are
> in good cap shape next year, too, even with the
> contracts of some of the new guys escalating. But,
> even so, there is only room for one of Soliai or
> Starks next year. And Soliai is limited in the 4-3
> because he provides no pass rush. I would say
> there is almost no chance he is on the roster next
> season. So, trade a #2 for Albert, and trade
> Soliai to a 3-4 team for a #2, and call it good.


exactly



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THE Truth Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > if adding albert "puts us over the cap" (it
> > doesn't, we have space now and another 10mm
> coming
> > June 1), then we shouldn't be trading for him
> and
> > giving him all that $$.
> > He's not that good. The upside to letting Long
> > leave was not sinking a ton of $$ into a
> mediocre
> > LT. And now we want to do it again, and give up
> a
> > 2d rounder in addition?
>
>
>
> What's coming in June doesn't matter now.
>
> Albert has signed his 9.6M tender for this year.
> He's on the books the instant we acquire him.
> That means you have to account for him now. So if
> we aren't 10mill under the cap today, then someone
> has to go to make room for Alberts cap hit.
>
> And $5-7 mill of the money coming in june is going
> to go to rookies, so we aren't getting that much
> relief on 6/1.
>
>
>
> >
> > As for trading Solia and Bess, Bess isn't that
> > much $$, and we won't get a high pick for him,
> so
> > he's not really that relevant to the equation.
> But
> > I agree he's is probably not in the long term
> > plans and if we draft a WR high this year he
> will
> > probably be gone regardless of anything we do
> with
> > Albert.
> >
> > As for trading Solia, unless we can get a #2
> for
> > him, he's better off on the team. Just bc he's
> in
> > the last year of his deal doesn't mean we can't
> > re-sign or extend him. Good DTs are hard to
> come
> > by, and worth having around even if just for 1
> > final season (unless we are writing this season
> > off before it begins).
>
>
> Lets say you are the GM for a minute.
>
> Nobody is offering you a 2nd for Soliai but a few
> teams are willing to give up a 3rd and 5th. And
> you have an offer for a 4th for Bess.
>
> On top of that you have a chance to get Albert for
> our last 2nd round pick.
>
> Are you going to go with the starting LT plus the
> 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks...along with $10mill
> in cap space for post draft signings
>
> or
>
> are you going to keep your back up DT, 4th WR
> (neither of which is going to be on your roster in
> 2014) and look for a LT in round 2?


I am not going to panic and overpay for Brandon Albert. If we can get him signed to a team friendly deal (which seems unlikely) then I'd be OK with giving up a #2 for him. But not to pay him pretty much what we didn't want to pay Jake Long, and give up a 2d rounder. And then be forced to unload players for draft picks to fit him under the cap. He's not worth it.

Who knows how the draft will shake out? It's possible that Fluker goes before Lane Johnson and he falls to 12. Or one of the top 10 teams needed an OT trade for Albert and an OT they'd otherwise take falls to 12. No matter what, I think we should let KC stew a bit and not make this deal BEFORE the draft.

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > berkeley223 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > if adding albert "puts us over the cap" (it
> > > doesn't, we have space now and another 10mm
> > coming
> > > June 1), then we shouldn't be trading for him
> > and
> > > giving him all that $$.
> > > He's not that good. The upside to letting
> Long
> > > leave was not sinking a ton of $$ into a
> > mediocre
> > > LT. And now we want to do it again, and give
> up
> > a
> > > 2d rounder in addition?
> >
> >
> >
> > What's coming in June doesn't matter now.
> >
> > Albert has signed his 9.6M tender for this year.
>
> > He's on the books the instant we acquire him.
> > That means you have to account for him now. So
> if
> > we aren't 10mill under the cap today, then
> someone
> > has to go to make room for Alberts cap hit.
> >
> > And $5-7 mill of the money coming in june is
> going
> > to go to rookies, so we aren't getting that
> much
> > relief on 6/1.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > As for trading Solia and Bess, Bess isn't
> that
> > > much $$, and we won't get a high pick for
> him,
> > so
> > > he's not really that relevant to the
> equation.
> > But
> > > I agree he's is probably not in the long term
> > > plans and if we draft a WR high this year he
> > will
> > > probably be gone regardless of anything we do
> > with
> > > Albert.
> > >
> > > As for trading Solia, unless we can get a #2
> > for
> > > him, he's better off on the team. Just bc
> he's
> > in
> > > the last year of his deal doesn't mean we
> can't
> > > re-sign or extend him. Good DTs are hard to
> > come
> > > by, and worth having around even if just for
> 1
> > > final season (unless we are writing this
> season
> > > off before it begins).
> >
> >
> > Lets say you are the GM for a minute.
> >
> > Nobody is offering you a 2nd for Soliai but a
> few
> > teams are willing to give up a 3rd and 5th.
> And
> > you have an offer for a 4th for Bess.
> >
> > On top of that you have a chance to get Albert
> for
> > our last 2nd round pick.
> >
> > Are you going to go with the starting LT plus
> the
> > 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks...along with
> $10mill
> > in cap space for post draft signings
> >
> > or
> >
> > are you going to keep your back up DT, 4th WR
> > (neither of which is going to be on your roster
> in
> > 2014) and look for a LT in round 2?
>
>
> I am not going to panic and overpay for Brandon
> Albert. If we can get him signed to a team
> friendly deal (which seems unlikely) then I'd be
> OK with giving up a #2 for him. But not to pay him
> pretty much what we didn't want to pay Jake Long,
> and give up a 2d rounder. And then be forced to
> unload players for draft picks to fit him under
> the cap. He's not worth it.


Fair enough. I don't think Albert is worth $10mill a year either. I think its more likely he'd get 4 years in the 30-32 range.



>
> Who knows how the draft will shake out? It's
> possible that Fluker goes before Lane Johnson and
> he falls to 12. Or one of the top 10 teams needed
> an OT trade for Albert and an OT they'd otherwise
> take falls to 12. No matter what, I think we
> should let KC stew a bit and not make this deal
> BEFORE the draft.

C'mon bro. Anything is "possible" but when's the last time a team took a right tackle over a top tier LT? I don't think its ever happened but its possible all 11 teams in front of us have a collective stroke.

Heck...maybe if we sit tight we can get Fisher at #12, Joeckel at #42, Milliner at 54 and Cooper at 73. I mean its possible...



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it's not the 2d rounder that's the main issue for me, it's the huge deal Albert is going to want. I still don't see why we don't just solify RT with Winston for peanuts, and see how Martin does at LT and supplement with a high draft pick. I think most would agree that Martin should be a better LT than RT (that's his natural spot). The team is so quick to declare a high 2d round pick such a bust that we now are going to overpay and trade for a mediocre LT?

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PS: teams should stop trading 2d rounders for players Andy Reid doesn't want. It never works out well.

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> it's not the 2d rounder that's the main issue for
> me, it's the huge deal Albert is going to want. I
> still don't see why we don't just solify RT with
> Winston for peanuts,

Maybe because Winston refuses to sign for peanuts?



> and see how Martin does at LT
> and supplement with a high draft pick. I think
> most would agree that Martin should be a better LT
> than RT (that's his natural spot).

I could live with that. But I'd rather improve the line talent then just roll the dice on Martin making huge strides this year.
It often takes O-lineman more than one year to start to produce in the NFL, especially when their biggest deficiency is strength.


> The team is so
> quick to declare a high 2d round pick such a bust
> that we now are going to overpay and trade for a
> mediocre LT?

Who said they were declaring him a bust?

If they get Albert what they are saying is Martin isn't as good as Albert yet. That's all.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> PS: teams should stop trading 2d rounders for
> players Andy Reid doesn't want. It never works out
> well.


Lolol....to true.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > it's not the 2d rounder that's the main issue
> for
> > me, it's the huge deal Albert is going to want.
> I
> > still don't see why we don't just solify RT
> with
> > Winston for peanuts,
>
> Maybe because Winston refuses to sign for
> peanuts?
>
----word is he'd sign for about $3mm per year. That's peanuts for a solid vet RT. Especially compared to what Albert wants.
>
> > and see how Martin does at LT
> > and supplement with a high draft pick. I think
> > most would agree that Martin should be a better
> LT
> > than RT (that's his natural spot).
>
> I could live with that. But I'd rather improve
> the line talent then just roll the dice on Martin
> making huge strides this year.
> It often takes O-lineman more than one year to
> start to produce in the NFL, especially when their
> biggest deficiency is strength.
>
>
> > The team is so
> > quick to declare a high 2d round pick such a
> bust
> > that we now are going to overpay and trade for
> a
> > mediocre LT?
>
> Who said they were declaring him a bust?
>
> If they get Albert what they are saying is Martin
> isn't as good as Albert yet. That's all.

---When you draft a guy in the 2d round, have him play a full season, and then declare both of the spots he can play huge needs and give up another second round and a ton of $$ to replace him, that's a pretty good sign they think he's more likely a bust than the answer on the OL.

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Do not give anything for this scrub please. Keep all your picks and build through the draft unless ireland is so desperate to keep his job he is going to resort to this dumb move.

YUP i have a feeling IRELAND is desperate to keep his job.

He is going to gamble IMHO with the next few moves. You know its DO OR DIE FOR HIM.

Ireland is a scrub himself.

It's not about giving up on Martin, or calling him a bust. But, he showed no sign of being a good enough pass protector to play LT. He got beat by fast guys, and he got beat by power guys. And here is the problem. If you commit to him at LT, and he still isn't a good pass blocker, then it negates the adding of offensive weapons and delays a real evaluation of Tannehill. Bad LTs can kill a team. At least with a bad RT, the QB can see the rush coming.

And, if they commit to Martin at LT, they still have to draft a LT prospect fairly high. Why? Because there is no one on the roster who could start at LT if Martin was to get hurt. If you trade for Albert, Martin goes back to RT and becomes your backup LT.

samsam3738 Wrote:
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> Do not give anything for this scrub please. Keep
> all your picks and build through the draft unless
> ireland is so desperate to keep his job he is
> going to resort to this dumb move.
>
> YUP i have a feeling IRELAND is desperate to keep
> his job.
>
> He is going to gamble IMHO with the next few
> moves. You know its DO OR DIE FOR HIM.


I could not disagree with this more. If there was do or die for him, Kevin Burnett and Karlos Dansby would still be on the team. Cutting them was not a move done by a GM playing for one season. And he has the team set up very well for cap space in 2014 and 2015. Most of what he has done has been with a good long term view.

Except Odrick is not occupying 2 blockers on first and second down. That would also mean that we are changing the front 7 scheme. You talk about how we can afford to lose Solia because he doesn't fit the 4-3 scheme but now we are using an underachieving 3-4 DE as our SECOND, 3-techinque DT? I don't like it. That puts us in a position where we have to draft a DT in the 1st round IMO. We still need a run stopping NT/DT. Our DT's are in a rotation anyway so I don't care if our big body NT rotates out on passing downs.

Soliai is a homeboy. He does not want to leave. We can sign him on the cheap next off season. Starks on the other hand wants to get paid and is the only player not reporting to work outs.

If we get rid of Solia and try to replace him with Odrick, we will get run all over and probably drop from a top 10 run defense to a middle of the pack defense.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/18/2013 09:53AM by eesti.

I think the Brandon Albert flirtation is a smoke screen to some extents so no one trades ahead of us.

and the rumor that we don't like Lane Johnson.

I think we are low balling and would do it for the right price but Ireland doesn't want to give up the 2nd round picks.

I think our first option is to trade up with Tennessee at 10 for a 3rd. If teams know we are moving up then we have to go to Cle at 6 or Oak at 3 to beat SD to the punch to LJ. (They are both without 2nd round picks.) 3 is probably not an option as it would take way too much...a 1st rounder in 2014 or both of our 2013 2nd rounders and some change.

#6 could be had for pick #54 most likely.

Our second option is to stay at 12 and take Eifert.

Option 2a is to trade down and take Tank Carradine or Cooper, among others.

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eesti Wrote:
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>
> Soliai is a homeboy. He does not want to leave. We
> can sign him on the cheap next off season.


What makes you think that?

He wouldn't sign on the cheap for two year forcing us to franchise him at an absurd number and wouldn't sign on the cheap when working out a long term solution while playing under that tag.

he wanted so much money that we let him test free agency and he came back for a two year deal at decent money so he'd be able to hit the FA market again while in his prime.

This is his last shot at a big payday. Why are you so sure he's going to give that away to take backup money play in a system that doesn't feature his skillset?


>
> If we get rid of Solia and try to replace him with
> Odrick, we will get run all over and probably drop
> from a top 10 run defense to a middle of the pack
> defense.

one dimensional interior lineman aren't all that difficult to find.

Crowder52 Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I hate to say it, but I think I'd rather trade
> up
> > and get Fisher or Joekle (assuming one is there
> at
> > 6--unlikely) than trade a #2 for albert.
>
>
> Yeah that is an alternative as well. If you can
> use that same 2nd rd pick to trade up and get
> Fisher, and u think he is a stud, then you get a
> younger, cheaper, possibly better player.. but
> giving up 42 will be painful for me if it
> happens...

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Look at it this way....Give up that late 2nd rounder (who knows what would be available and if that player could start) for Fisher, who is 99.99999999% guaranteed to start.....

I am sure, however, that it would be more than just our 42nd pick.

Albert? Lots of pros and cons. Ireland has to decide if this guy is really, really worth it.

The trade down is a good option if we sign Albert but who is left to trade up for? Who is giving up a 2nd rounder to get to 12 other than San Fran? I think 31 is way to low.

Maybe the Rams at 16 but that only nets a 3rd rounder. It would have to be for their #22 for us to get a 2nd. The players in that range are the same as most first half/second rounders.

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captkoi Wrote:
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> Crowder52 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > berkeley223 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I hate to say it, but I think I'd rather
> trade
> > up
> > > and get Fisher or Joekle (assuming one is
> there
> > at
> > > 6--unlikely) than trade a #2 for albert.
> >
> >
> > Yeah that is an alternative as well. If you can
> > use that same 2nd rd pick to trade up and get
> > Fisher, and u think he is a stud, then you get
> a
> > younger, cheaper, possibly better player.. but
> > giving up 42 will be painful for me if it
> > happens...
>
> *******************************************
>
> Look at it this way....Give up that late 2nd
> rounder (who knows what would be available and if
> that player could start) for Fisher, who is
> 99.99999999% guaranteed to start.....
>
> I am sure, however, that it would be more than
> just our 42nd pick.
>
> Albert? Lots of pros and cons. Ireland has to
> decide if this guy is really, really worth it.


Whats the better scenario?

End up with Fisher or Joeckel in the 1st and no 2nd round picks...

or

End up with Johnson in the 1st, and one 2nd round pick...

or

End up with Albert, Cooper or Eifert in the 1st, and one 2nd round pick.


If its me, I take the last option.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> captkoi Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Crowder52 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > berkeley223 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > I hate to say it, but I think I'd rather
> > trade
> > > up
> > > > and get Fisher or Joekle (assuming one is
> > there
> > > at
> > > > 6--unlikely) than trade a #2 for albert.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah that is an alternative as well. If you
> can
> > > use that same 2nd rd pick to trade up and get
> > > Fisher, and u think he is a stud, then you
> get
> > a
> > > younger, cheaper, possibly better player..
> but
> > > giving up 42 will be painful for me if it
> > > happens...
> >
> > *******************************************
> >
> > Look at it this way....Give up that late 2nd
> > rounder (who knows what would be available and
> if
> > that player could start) for Fisher, who is
> > 99.99999999% guaranteed to start.....
> >
> > I am sure, however, that it would be more than
> > just our 42nd pick.
> >
> > Albert? Lots of pros and cons. Ireland has to
> > decide if this guy is really, really worth it.
>
>
> Whats the better scenario?
>
> End up with Fisher or Joeckel in the 1st and no
> 2nd round picks...
>
> or
>
> End up with Johnson in the 1st, and one 2nd round
> pick...
>
> or
>
> End up with Albert, Cooper or Eifert in the 1st,
> and one 2nd round pick.
>
>
> If its me, I take the last option.

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1. I wouldn't take that first option. I would give up only one of my 2nd round picks. The other pick would be either a 3rd or 4th.

2. I wouldn't trade up for Johnson.

3. This one is OK. But, to tweak that scenario, I would do my best to trade back and pick up that 2nd rounder that I just lost.

But there are still a lot of questions concerning Albert.

I read a good article by Armando from the Herald (on line) about obtaining Albert. Lots of pitfalls in making the trade.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> eesti Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > Soliai is a homeboy. He does not want to leave.
> We
> > can sign him on the cheap next off season.
>
>
> What makes you think that?
>
> He wouldn't sign on the cheap for two year forcing
> us to franchise him at an absurd number and
> wouldn't sign on the cheap when working out a long
> term solution while playing under that tag.
>
> he wanted so much money that we let him test free
> agency and he came back for a two year deal at
> decent money so he'd be able to hit the FA market
> again while in his prime.

He ended up signing a lower than market contract in the end because he didn't want to leave. He had offers from KC, Denver and Indy.

>
> This is his last shot at a big payday. Why are
> you so sure he's going to give that away to take
> backup money play in a system that doesn't feature
> his skillset?

31 is not prime. He actually passed up his big payday when he signed his last contract. No defensive tackle over 30 got paid this year. The franchise number has dropped from 12.5 to 8.5 for a reason. It's the market. Surely he knows he is not getting a big payday at age 31 when the market is down.

>
>
> >
> > If we get rid of Solia and try to replace him
> with
> > Odrick, we will get run all over and probably
> drop
> > from a top 10 run defense to a middle of the
> pack
> > defense.
>
> one dimensional interior lineman aren't all that
> difficult to find.

So easy to replace that we paid him 12.5 mil to stay here? And it's not all about playing in a 3-4 because we have played 4-3 for years in a hybrid.

“It’s basically the same as last year,” he said. “Last year, we ran a lot of 4-3. But we’re more aggressive this year, so that’s a good thing.” - Solia on the 2011 season.

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captkoi Wrote:
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>
> 1. I wouldn't take that first option. I would
> give up only one of my 2nd round picks. The other
> pick would be either a 3rd or 4th.


That's just not happening. You need to get up to #2 or #3 at a minimum to ensure you get one of those guys. The jump from #12 to #3 is 1000 pts. Its 1200 to get to #2.

Both our 2nds together dont equal 900 points.


>
> 2. I wouldn't trade up for Johnson.



Ok



>
> 3. This one is OK. But, to tweak that scenario,
> I would do my best to trade back and pick up that
> 2nd rounder that I just lost.


I have no problem trading down. But Cooper and Eifert are two impact players in our system. Not sure there's one in the 20's that you can say that about with the same conviction.

It would have to be a sweet trade to get me to pass on them.

Rolling the dice on Martin isn't just about Martin. If you roll the dice on Martin, and he sucks at LT, like he did last year, it can ruin the offense. If you can't protect the QB's blind side, you are in a lot of trouble.

Lane Johnson thinks he is going as high as #4. A number of "experts" having go as high as #5. Two months ago, who would have foreseen this? The Feb 5th Walter Football mock draft had Joeckel at #4, Fisher at #7, and Johnson at #11.Their March 6th draft had Joeckel at #1, Fisher at #4, and Johnson still at #11. Their April 9th draft still has Joeckel at #1 and Fisher at #4, but Johnson is now going at #6. Mike Mayock says Johnson will not get by Arizona at #7.

So, two months ago, getting Johnson for the Dolphins would not be that big of a deal. He'd be right in the vicinity of our pick. It wouldn't take much for him to fall to us, and it wouldn't take much to move up two spots to get him. But, now, trading up into the top 6 picks to get one of those 3 OTs means sacrificing a lot in terms of picks in order to move up. The landscape has changed.

How does the team feel about Martin at LT? We don't know. But, did Miami jump on Eric Winston, who says he wants just $3-4M per year, and wants to play for Miami? No. Did we jump on Tyson Clabo, who has also said he would like to play for Miami? No. Why haven't we signed one of them? We have met with Winston for two offseasons in a row. If we were sold on Martin at LT, it seems we would have signed one of those guys. We have the cap space to do it. But, we didn't. And if that means they aren't sold on Martin at LT, then you have to do something to shore up that position.

Perhaps. But not 100% sold.

But even so -- that does NOT MEAN Albert is the correct solution.

I've been on-board with OT @#1 for some time and that's what I think is the best LONG TERM solution.

But your core point is 100% correct -- which I made about 4 weeks ago -- it all depends on how the staff projects Martin. End of story. Where's the glory?

Geez, Mark, the kid was only a rookie last year. He was All American at Stanford and he got better as the year progressed.

And the reason I keep emphasizing All-American is because in about 4 years, that group of college athletes will be the NFL in effect.

Martin then will be playing in an NFL world composed almost entirely of the people he was judged to be one of the best in the nation of.

Give it time.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Geez, Mark, the kid was only a rookie last year.
> He was All American at Stanford and he got better
> as the year progressed.


Not true. He allowed mor QB disruptions per game after the move to LT. And his worst game was the final game of the season.

Do you pull these "stats" out of your ass or what?

I mean really -- for a lot of us who have watched real football -- as opposed to subscribing to some dweeb football stat service -- we actually SAW a better looking football player from Martin as the year progressed. And he certainly looked better at LT than soLong -- who was total GARBAGE all last year -- and who Incognito saved his ass countless times (what's the "stat" on ass saves btw?)

It's like once you get a negative numbers jones on someone you're like a freaking pit bull with a bone. Give it a rest man.



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BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> Do you pull these "stats" out of your ass or
> what?
>
> I mean really -- for a lot of us who have watched
> real football -- as opposed to subscribing to some
> dweeb football stat service -- we actually SAW a
> better looking football player from Martin as the
> year progressed. And he certainly looked better at
> LT

Yes, he sure did look better at LT. Like when he got totally embarrassed in the San Fran game. Have you ever seen a lineman blown up as badly as he was in that game? And he was a human turnstile in the final Patriots game. If you think he played better at LT, that tells me all I need to know about your football acumen.