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Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Miami Reppa ()
Date: January 14, 2009 09:59AM


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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Jonathan Twilley ()
Date: January 14, 2009 03:36PM

They might need to keep him around. Rumor had it that Brady hasn't been recovering well. Is there any truth to that?

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: January 14, 2009 06:01PM

maybe they can deal him to Pioli. LOL!

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 15, 2009 03:23AM

ghotirule Wrote:
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> maybe they can deal him to Pioli. LOL!


What about the Jets?

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Brady's injury
Posted by: realist ()
Date: January 15, 2009 06:25AM

yeah, Brady has an injured 'defensive signal stealer' and it is making it difficult for him to adjust to the team's blitzes.

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: TheFutt ()
Date: January 15, 2009 07:56AM

Oh look, it's another "I told you so" topic based on a shot in the dark assumption made on the day the guy plays his first game.

Don't pat yourself on the back too hard. We wouldn't want you to choke on your tongue or anything while you were giving your baseless claims props.

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Miami Reppa ()
Date: January 15, 2009 04:36PM


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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Miami Reppa ()
Date: January 15, 2009 04:42PM

I dont think that the pats need cassel. The reason peoples perception of the pats is that they can just plug anyone in and not miss a beat is because they have THE BEST talent scouts maybe in the history of the sport. They find guys that are just as good and maybe better than the guy that is starting. They are a well oiled machine. If Brady cant go, no problem just put in o'connel or Gutierrez and the wheels keep spinnin

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Re: Brady's injury
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: January 17, 2009 11:07AM


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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: gnrbaby ()
Date: January 17, 2009 11:26AM

Miami Reppa Wrote:
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> As faith would have it the reppa is once again way
> ahead of his time...


The word you're looking for is FATE, not faith... As fate would have it the reppa is ahead of his time... Get it right boy-o. Also you're wrong, as Cassle isn't going to play for the Dolphins. We have Pennington, Henne and Beck - thats how we roll!

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: January 17, 2009 12:47PM


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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Miami Reppa ()
Date: January 17, 2009 02:09PM


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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Miami Reppa ()
Date: January 17, 2009 02:11PM

gnrbaby Wrote:
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> Miami Reppa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As faith would have it the reppa is once again
> way
> > ahead of his time...
>
>
> The word you're looking for is FATE, not faith...
> As fate would have it the reppa is ahead of his
> time... Get it right boy-o. Also you're wrong, as
> Cassle isn't going to play for the Dolphins. We
> have Pennington, Henne and Beck - thats how we
> roll!

Thanks for the correction, as you can see english was never my strong suit. And where did I say that cassle would be a dolphin? I dont recall that.

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Panteraize ()
Date: January 18, 2009 06:06AM


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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 18, 2009 08:09AM

Panteraize Wrote:
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> I think Belichick is better at finding solid
> serviceable pieces for various positions in what
> he's trying to do, than actually being the best
> talent scout in the history of the game. Then
> again, he isn't as good at any of the above than
> he is at cheating and relaying the opposing
> defense's play calls into Tom Brady's helmet
> before the play. They were (and probably somehow
> still are) great at that.

Agreed. That's why I think most of the so-called "talent" on that team is a product of the system Belichick runs. Welker is great, but I doubt he would have been a Pro-Bowler on any other team. Cassell will also fall flat on his face with another team. Put him behind a lesser offensive line with not-as-good receivers and he won't know what to do.

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Leon In Denver ()
Date: January 19, 2009 08:22AM

"Agreed. That's why I think most of the so-called "talent" on that team is a product of the system Belichick runs. Welker is great, but I doubt he would have been a Pro-Bowler on any other team. Cassell will also fall flat on his face with another team. Put him behind a lesser offensive line with not-as-good receivers and he won't know what to do."

Silly statemant as this same thing could be said about dam near every QB in the league.

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 19, 2009 01:49PM

Leon In Denver Wrote:
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> "Agreed. That's why I think most of the so-called
> "talent" on that team is a product of the system
> Belichick runs. Welker is great, but I doubt he
> would have been a Pro-Bowler on any other team.
> Cassell will also fall flat on his face with
> another team. Put him behind a lesser offensive
> line with not-as-good receivers and he won't know
> what to do."
>
> Silly statemant as this same thing could be said
> about dam near every QB in the league.

You're saying Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, John Elway, etc. would have been average on a different team? Are ALL QBs in teh league "system" QBs? Those 3 QBs have taken their teams to the playoffs with little to no running game. Elway and Marino made the ProBowl throwing to average receivers. They played many seasons behind average offensive lines.

I'm saying there are genuinely good QBs, WRs, etc..., that can do many things well. Then there are guys that do some things well but are lacking in other ways. In the right system that concentrates on their strengths and hides their weaknesses, players like that can go far.

For example, some QBs are great pocket passers but can't scramble or shift to avoid the rush. On a team with a super O-Line guys like that can break records, but if the protection breaks down they fall apart. Some QBs can't throw that well but are great scramblers. Remember Michael Vick? He was lauded as one of the best QBs in the league, but the guy couldn't throw accurately past 20 yards. He still took Atlanta to the playoffs!! Again...right system.

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Anonymous User ()
Date: January 22, 2009 07:10PM

Gimme a break. I called 11 wins before the season started. When we signed Pennington, because I knew he'd be a difference maker. Plenty of people know it, and some even called me crazy at the time. You can go search yourself, because I really don't have the time to do research for every joker that won't face the facts.

As for the rest of the predictions, I said Cam would likely be out after one year before we hired him, I called Saban a big mistake that we'd realize in a couple years, I saw that Jason Allen was a bust when we drafted him.

Really, a long list of topics that got a lot of people upset, turned into enormous threads, with people up in arms at the time. Yet, they all turned out to be dead on.

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Leon In Denver ()
Date: January 23, 2009 09:56AM

Montequi, If you read my post I said "dam near every QB" not every QB. And I'm right about this too.

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 23, 2009 10:52AM

Leon In Denver Wrote:
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> Montequi, If you read my post I said "dam near
> every QB" not every QB. And I'm right about this
> too.

You really think Cassell is in the same league as, say:

Rivers
Brees
Warner
E Manning
P Manning
Cutler
Rothlisberger
McNabb
Pennington

Some of those guys were up-and-down this year, but they didn't have the talent around them that Cassell did. I don't classify ANY of those guys as strictly system QBs.

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: January 23, 2009 12:25PM

1) There are QBs who are good because they are in good systems.
2) There are systems that are good because they have good QBs running them.
3) Finally, there are good systems with good QBs running them. That's when you have something special.

I would put Cassell in the first category.



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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: January 23, 2009 02:57PM

Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
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> 1) There are QBs who are good because they are in
> good systems.
> 2) There are systems that are good because they
> have good QBs running them.
> 3) Finally, there are good systems with good QBs
> running them. That's when you have something
> special.
>
> I would put Cassell in the first category.


Then what the hell is NE's system? I'm dying to know. They just line up and beat ya with better players and play calling. That isnt' a system

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: January 23, 2009 03:15PM

Well, they missed the playoffs with Cassell at the helm this year. So how great are they? Obviously, they were a great team with Brady there and when the defense was more consistent. I don't think most football people would consider Cassell a great QB.



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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: January 23, 2009 04:22PM

Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
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> Well, they missed the playoffs with Cassell at the
> helm this year. So how great are they?
> Obviously, they were a great team with Brady there
> and when the defense was more consistent. I don't
> think most football people would consider Cassell
> a great QB.




oh please. They still won 11 games and are only the 2nd or 3rd team in NFL HISTORY to win 11 games and NOT make the playoffs. PLUS they won 11 games (same as Miami) agaisnt a tougher schedule!!!! Not to mention they won MORE games than a lot of playoff teams. Including one team that will be playing NEXT SUNDAY!

Your argument has a lot of holes in it

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Miami Reppa ()
Date: January 24, 2009 06:07AM

There are alot of factors in being a great qb. Ex. Curt Warner was lights out with the rams, the greatest show on turf. Then he went to the giants and flat out sucked. He was looked at as washed up. Then he goes to arizona and he is back to being lights out again. How do you explain what happened? System is very important, as is weapons, pass blocking line, skills of qb. Hey this is a team sport, i dont care how great you are you cant be great without other factors. This is not just true for qb it is true for all skill positions. Look at randy moss. He was a freak in minnasota. His rookie year they went 15-1 and should have won the superbowl. Easily the best team to never have won. He goes to Oakland and he is looked at as washed up and finished. Then he goes to new england and he is back to being a freak. Football is the ultimate team sport from the owner and coaches down to the players. The great wons have many elements working in their favor, if not you cannot be great.

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: Northeast Fin Fan ()
Date: January 24, 2009 04:37PM

MikeO - let me get this straight. I'm saying Cassell is not a great QB. Are you saying he is?

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: January 24, 2009 08:37PM

Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
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> MikeO - let me get this straight. I'm saying
> Cassell is not a great QB. Are you saying he is?


Uh....YES!! Look at the year he had this year. Look at how he did it. Look at how he was thrown to the wolves and came out of it leading his team to 11 wins. With a 4th string RB behind him most of the year.

Cassell is the real deal. To say otherwise is naive

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 25, 2009 02:35AM

MikeO Wrote:
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> Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
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> > MikeO - let me get this straight. I'm saying
> > Cassell is not a great QB. Are you saying he
> is?
>
>
> Uh....YES!! Look at the year he had this year.
> Look at how he did it. Look at how he was thrown
> to the wolves and came out of it leading his team
> to 11 wins. With a 4th string RB behind him most
> of the year.
>
> Cassell is the real deal. To say otherwise is
> naive

I suppose you thought Daunte Culpepper was the real deal as well!

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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: MikeO ()
Date: January 25, 2009 04:39AM


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Re: Matt Cassle, yes the reppa already knows
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 25, 2009 11:02AM

MikeO Wrote:
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> montequi Wrote:
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> > MikeO Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Northeast Fin Fan Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > MikeO - let me get this straight. I'm
> saying
> > > > Cassell is not a great QB. Are you saying
> he
> > > is?
> > >
> > >
> > > Uh....YES!! Look at the year he had this
> year.
> > > Look at how he did it. Look at how he was
> > thrown
> > > to the wolves and came out of it leading his
> > team
> > > to 11 wins. With a 4th string RB behind him
> > most
> > > of the year.
> > >
> > > Cassell is the real deal. To say otherwise is
> > > naive
> >
> > I suppose you thought Daunte Culpepper was the
> > real deal as well!
>
> BEFOREhis major knee injury.......yes he was!!

Isn't his knee completely healed today? Isn't that why he pointed at his knee last year in Miami when he scored that TD? The guy couldn't even find a position to hold someones jockstrap on an NFL team for a while last year!

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