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The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: December 21, 2014 09:14PM

That Safety today put us right now in the 16th draft spot potentially.

A loss today and one next week could have meant a draft spot as high as the 8th pick.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: December 22, 2014 01:46AM

I'd rather see the growth out of RT17 that I saw today and the come from behind win for this teams physche, going 9-7 would be big now that Philbin is staying IMO.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: dolphin ()
Date: December 22, 2014 05:15AM

I agree, I'd rather see the growth with the team.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: December 22, 2014 05:45AM

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> I'd rather see the growth out of RT17 that I saw
> today and the come from behind win for this teams
> physche, going 9-7 would be big now that Philbin
> is staying IMO.

YES.

The only people around the NFL that want their team to lose for draft position are fans. I highly doubt Dennis Hickey is sitting around hoping the Dolphins will lose so he can move up a few spots.

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE YOU PICK as long as you are thorough. Hell, we got Dion Jordan at 3 when we could have had Le'Veon Bell at 48 and Ronnie Brown at 2 when we could have chosen Frank Gore in the 3rd round.

I have a little more faith in Dennis than I do his predecessor so I'm not going to sit around worrying about draft position. I would much rather see Miami win. It's a long off season and ending on 4 losses does not appeal to me. ESPECIALLY against the Jets.

Does anyone really want to see all the NY fans celebrating in Sun Life Stadium as big teeth trots off the field, laughing? Screw that.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: December 22, 2014 06:22AM

You are right Joe. You can find good players in each round.

I'd rather lose and have the higher pick because it gives us more options in ayers and possible trades.

I just want to be in the best possible position to improve this team in the offseason.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: December 22, 2014 06:37AM

The dolphins cannot do anything right.

They can't even lose when they have to.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: December 22, 2014 07:18AM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> That Safety today put us right now in the 16th
> draft spot potentially.
>
> A loss today and one next week could have meant a
> draft spot as high as the 8th pick.

I don't think that was even mathematically possible. As of right now, the Rams pick 12th and they are 6-9 so the best we would be right now is 13th. 3 spots higher than where we currently sit. If you figure in strength of schedule (as they do), we would be 14th with a 7-9 record sitting behind Cleveland and Minnesota (with identical records).

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: December 22, 2014 08:37AM

LOL to you SamSam.

Which side of the issue is the poster who really believes he is THE Truth on because Joe you and I were disagreeing on this??????


Joe, the way I got my numbers is I just went to nfl.com and clicked on standings AND, and this is important, I PUT THE TAB ON 'LEAGUE' AND CLICKED GO.

That listed all NFL teams from top (ugh the Rodents) to the bottom.

Joe you are right. No way could we ever have a better spot than the 6-9 teams because we've already won 7 games, can't change that.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: December 22, 2014 08:51AM


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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: December 22, 2014 09:16AM


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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: December 22, 2014 09:42AM

13 would be very nice.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: Hooligan2 ()
Date: December 22, 2014 09:53AM

Picking 32 would be the best.

........................................

The Clown Show Continues



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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: captkoi ()
Date: December 26, 2014 12:23PM

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> dolphaholic Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'd rather see the growth out of RT17 that I
> saw
> > today and the come from behind win for this
> teams
> > physche, going 9-7 would be big now that
> Philbin
> > is staying IMO.
>
> YES.
>
> The only people around the NFL that want their
> team to lose for draft position are fans. I highly
> doubt Dennis Hickey is sitting around hoping the
> Dolphins will lose so he can move up a few spots.
>
> IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE YOU PICK as long as you
> are thorough. Hell, we got Dion Jordan at 3 when
> we could have had Le'Veon Bell at 48 and Ronnie
> Brown at 2 when we could have chosen Frank Gore in
> the 3rd round.
>
> I have a little more faith in Dennis than I do his
> predecessor so I'm not going to sit around
> worrying about draft position. I would much rather
> see Miami win. It's a long off season and ending
> on 4 losses does not appeal to me. ESPECIALLY
> against the Jets.
>
> Does anyone really want to see all the NY fans
> celebrating in Sun Life Stadium as big teeth trots
> off the field, laughing? Screw that.

**********************************************************

Hopefully Hickey will be very thorough in doing his homework, and Philbin will be receptive to what Hickey comes up with.

Now, as far as draft position....what slot was Marino drafted at, again? hot smiley

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: thegreathoo ()
Date: December 27, 2014 04:15AM

This team is in it to win it.

Also, who is there at 8 that we can't live without? Why would we tank for 8th spot?

In addition, 8th spot does not work as well as 20th spot, financially. The benefits are just not there.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: December 27, 2014 05:00AM

thegreathoo Wrote:
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> This team is in it to win it.
>
> Also, who is there at 8 that we can't live
> without? Why would we tank for 8th spot?


Really? just in the last 5 years here are the players you could have had at #8 but were gone by #20:

2014: Odell Beckham Jr, Aaron Donald, Ryan Shazier, Zach Martin, CJ Mosley, JaWann James
2013: T. Austin, Sheldon Richardson, Star Loutuleilei, Kenny Vaccarro, Eric Reid, Justin Pugh
2012: Ryan Tannehill, Luke Keuchely, Dontario Poe, Michael Floyd, Bruce Irvin
2011: Tyron Smith, JJ Watt, Nick Fairley, Robert Quinn, Mike Pouncey, Ryan Kerrigan, Nate Solder
2010: CJ Spiller, Tyson Alualu, Eric Thomas, JPP, Mike Iupati, Maurkice Pouncey.

Are you really going to argue that in a year when we miss the playoffs, going 9-7 and drafting 20th is better for us than going 7-9 and drafting 8th?



>
> In addition, 8th spot does not work as well as
> 20th spot, financially. The benefits are just not
> there.

in the 2014 draft the difference between the 8th spot and the 20th spot is about $3.2m . That's over the life of the contract.

That works out to about $800k a year...or roughly what we are paying Jason Fox to back up our back up OT's.

Money isn't an issue in the draft any more.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: dolphaholic ()
Date: December 27, 2014 05:28AM

Why are we still arguing the 8th spot, I thought we were never in play to get out of the teens?

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: December 27, 2014 05:51AM

dolphaholic Wrote:
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> Why are we still arguing the 8th spot, I thought
> we were never in play to get out of the teens?


You are right 'holic. The viking win assured that we won't even be in shouting distance of the 8th spot.

I think the best we could have managed had we lost last week and tomorrow would have been 10th, 11th or 12th.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: December 27, 2014 08:45AM

so the difference is between juwan james or taylor lewan. We blow our higher picks anyway. I am fine with a win and improvement from the QB which is the only that that's going to make this team anything more than 8-8 anyway

________________________________________________________
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: December 27, 2014 09:34AM

Just because there were good picks at no. 8 in prior years is no guarantee that there will be good picks at no. 8 this year or in any other future year.

And then, one can screw up even a high pick.

Like I said, Tom Brady went in round six which means that every team in the NFL passed on him for five rounds and most others for that sixth round as well.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: December 27, 2014 10:40AM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> so the difference is between juwan james or taylor
> lewan. We blow our higher picks anyway. I am fine
> with a win and improvement from the QB which is
> the only that that's going to make this team
> anything more than 8-8 anyway


If "we blow our higher picks anyway" berk, then why are you expecting improvement from our QB? winking smiley

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: JoeFootball ()
Date: December 27, 2014 11:10AM

I would rather see Tannehill continue to build on the season and take some of that momentum into the off season. One of his shortcomings has been the inability to close. I would rather see him lead us to a victory against a tough defense (that he struggled against) and build confidence. Limping into the off season after a loss leaves way too much time to doubt yourself.

That is worth more IMO. It is all about winning, afterall.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: December 27, 2014 11:39AM

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> I would rather see Tannehill continue to build on
> the season and take some of that momentum into the
> off season. One of his shortcomings has been the
> inability to close. I would rather see him lead us
> to a victory against a tough defense (that he
> struggled against) and build confidence. Limping
> into the off season after a loss leaves way too
> much time to doubt yourself.
>
> That is worth more IMO. It is all about winning,
> afterall.


Good game or bad game tomorrow will have little impact on the season of growth RT has already shown.

He's still playing behind a makeshift oline. He really has nothing else to prove this season.

He just needs to no suffer a serious injury in a meaningless game.



There's a reason teams who have bye's locked up sit their starters in irrelevant games at the end of the year. Its not about winning a week 17 game that cannot improve their position in the standings. Its about the games AFTER that.



Teams in our position should look at it that way as well.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: December 27, 2014 01:27PM

JoeFootball Wrote:
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> I would rather see Tannehill continue to build on
> the season and take some of that momentum into the
> off season. One of his shortcomings has been the
> inability to close.

Addressing this part alone, how can he close when his coach (or def. coach) if you prefer are calling timeouts to give the other team chances for comebacks and deciding to take of the pressure of a QB they had been rendering ineffective all day (Matthew Stafford) just in time to let him make a clock beating last minute 4th quarter drive to win the game?????

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: jsm08 ()
Date: December 27, 2014 03:41PM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Just because there were good picks at no. 8 in
> prior years is no guarantee that there will be
> good picks at no. 8 this year or in any other
> future year.
>
> And then, one can screw up even a high pick.
>
> Like I said, Tom Brady went in round six which
> means that every team in the NFL passed on him for
> five rounds and most others for that sixth round
> as well.

Wait a sec...on one of the luck threads your "proof" that the colts tanked for luck was previous records. Isn't this the same?

They're both speculation.

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: December 27, 2014 07:15PM


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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: jsm08 ()
Date: December 28, 2014 02:22AM

message board champ!

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: December 28, 2014 08:59AM

hmmmm. you and holic. Who da thunk it?

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Re: The difference between 8 and 16 is a Safety
Posted by: jlyell13 ()
Date: December 28, 2014 10:23AM

need a Safety, CB & 2 DL

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