This man is attrocious as a play caller, yes he let Henne become more involved with the offense, well holly shnike's live a little.

His red zone plays are crap hell give me henning at least he has the damn wildcat.

Whats up with the non usage of Bush in the flat?

Why the hell do we always pass in the red zone and when trying to move ten yards with one time out at least run one or two plays then try passing for the third.

Also Dan NO LEG Carpenter I'm finish with this guy he sucks to much booty to I mean come on he miss's field goals like its in fassion.

Need new OC and K.

Also when we have a top 4 pic this year please trade down to acquire two first round OL like a RT and a LG then move Incognito to RG.

Jesus Christ I can call a better game in spanish with a tiger chasing me with the worlds smallest pepper.

He isn't the only one. The defensive coordinator is the same one who has not been able to stop a drive all season.

The only drives that get stopped are due to penalties on the other team.

He keeps fantasizing that he has a defensive secondary.

He sitting on two of the top pass rushers in the game, Cameron Wake and Jason Taylor. Yet, he brings no pressure, even on young inexperienced quarterbacks and allows them to stand back flatfooted and pick apart our god-awful secondary.

I am kind of warming up to this theory that Daboll is a terrible play-caller, and a terrible offensive Coordinator.

His offensive management has proving to be terrible in the first 3 games and he has totally proved to *NOT* know how to make mismatches.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

Really!? I totally 100% disagree with you.

If he calls one more dive to Reggie Bush, I am gonna reach through the TV and bitch slap him.

Why has Reggie not been lined up in the slot against a LB? Why are we totally ineffective in the red zone and on 3rd downs?

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

The red zone issues are deep. Number one, we need to prove that we are a threat to run it in. Until we do, teams will not play us honestly. Number two, we need to pass protect better. You are seeing them have to keep the TEs in to block, and that hurts because those are big strong targets that you need in the redzone. Hartline and Bess are not great redzone receivers. They just don't have skills that work well down there. And Marshall has not been getting open, and has dropped a potential TD in each game. But, it all starts with running the ball in. Prove you can run the ball down there, and it slows down the pass rush. Slow down the pass rush, and then you can use your backs and TEs as receiving threats. It all works together.

There were two times when I really had a hard time with Daboll today. One was the QB sneak call from the 7 yard line. This worked two weeks ago. But, it's going to be fresh in the other team's mind because of that. And sure enough, it didn't fool them at all. I thought it was a very poor call for a team struggling in the redzone. The second problem I had with Daboll was on the last desperation drive. We only needed 10-15 yards. Yes, it would have been great to have more timeouts. But, we had time to work the middle of the field a couple of times. You had one timeout, and you could spike the ball. It wasn't like we needed to drive the length of the field. And instead, he was calling relatively deep passes, using only the boundary. With how bad the pass protection was, we didn't have times for those routes. I expected a couple of quick, short passes over the middle, maybe to Bess and/or Bush, that could have netted us the 15 yards we needed. Instead, he had us working downfield, and working the boundary. It was very odd playcalling in the situation, IMO.

Are you Tony's brother or something?

We are a terrible offense in crucial areas that offenses need to produce.

Pouncey, Long, and Daniel Thomas can stay. Everyone else can hit the F'n road for all I care.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

I'd also keep Hartline; he's made some nice catches. And maybe Bess too, but that's pretty much it. The rest can go.

ghotirule Wrote:
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> I am kind of warming up to this theory that Daboll
> is a terrible play-caller, and a terrible
> offensive Coordinator.
>
> His offensive management has proving to be
> terrible in the first 3 games and he has totally
> proved to *NOT* know how to make mismatches.
>
>
> I disagree. I've seen sever mismatches exploited
> by his play-calling.
>
> The three area I do see problems with are the red
> zone, after something goes bad (sack penalty) and
> end of game.
>
> I think the problem with the red zone is
> execution. The playcalling seems OK, more often
> than not someone makes a mistake - poor throw,
> failed catch, missed block.
>
> I think the problem with what goes wrong after
> something goes bad is a Tony Sparano thing. I
> think Tony wants the team to be conservative after
> a mistake and that flows through the coaching
> staff. It is something that has been going on
> since day one with Sparano. It is stupid because
> we end up in 3rd and long. But I can't imagine
> the OC wants to limit his 3rd down play calling.
> I think it is the HC being a jackass and telling
> the OC not to put the team in position for
> mistakes.
>
> The problem with end of game - we KNOW that is
> Sparano. He always goes into fetal mode, fist
> pumping a FG that puts us up by one score when we
> were already up by one score.

Gotirule I must agree with you on this. Sparano is the major problem and that needs to be corrected ASAP. Any team that makes as many mistakes as this one needs a coaching change period.

What a disappointment this has been. The D was suppose to be the straingh of the team and it is nothing but a joke.

I haven't been on the board for quite some time. Sold my business and have been way busy with many things but always keep track of the Phins.

Thanks guys for the info I get here.

I've been in Venice FL this month and now must return to Den and get a property taken care of.

Even with this lousy season and coaching I hope to make a game this season.

the conservative nature of the redzone calls are a reflection of the head coach and his philosophy of limiting mistakes and settling for 3.

it's pretty obvious by the way he celebrates fgs.

Leon In Denver Wrote:
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>
> I haven't been on the board for quite some time.
> Sold my business and have been way busy with many
> things but always keep track of the Phins.
>
> Thanks guys for the info I get here.
>
> I've been in Venice FL this month and now must
> return to Den and get a property taken care of.
>
> Even with this lousy season and coaching I hope to
> make a game this season.


You should have no trouble acquiring tickets Leon!

Congrats on the sale, I hope you made a killing.

dolfanmark Wrote:
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> The red zone issues are deep. Number one, we need
> to prove that we are a threat to run it in. Until
> we do, teams will not play us honestly. Number
> two, we need to pass protect better. You are
> seeing them have to keep the TEs in to block, and
> that hurts because those are big strong targets
> that you need in the redzone. Hartline and Bess
> are not great redzone receivers. They just don't
> have skills that work well down there. And
> Marshall has not been getting open, and has
> dropped a potential TD in each game. But, it all
> starts with running the ball in. Prove you can run
> the ball down there, and it slows down the pass
> rush. Slow down the pass rush, and then you can
> use your backs and TEs as receiving threats. It
> all works together.
>
> There were two times when I really had a hard time
> with Daboll today. One was the QB sneak call from
> the 7 yard line. This worked two weeks ago. But,
> it's going to be fresh in the other team's mind
> because of that. And sure enough, it didn't fool
> them at all. I thought it was a very poor call for
> a team struggling in the redzone. The second
> problem I had with Daboll was on the last
> desperation drive. We only needed 10-15 yards.
> Yes, it would have been great to have more
> timeouts. But, we had time to work the middle of
> the field a couple of times. You had one timeout,
> and you could spike the ball. It wasn't like we
> needed to drive the length of the field. And
> instead, he was calling relatively deep passes,
> using only the boundary. With how bad the pass
> protection was, we didn't have times for those
> routes. I expected a couple of quick, short passes
> over the middle, maybe to Bess and/or Bush, that
> could have netted us the 15 yards we needed.
> Instead, he had us working downfield, and working
> the boundary. It was very odd playcalling in the
> situation, IMO.


RE: I agree, we should have been throwing quick slants, curls, outs, or to bush in the flat or screens on that last drive. We should have been agressive in our short field passing and also went no huddle.

The organization is deteriorating before our very eyes.

Now, we are free falling. The only questin is how far do we fall before we begin to catch ourselves.

I don't think we can fall any lower.

Yes we can...we could be the Lions before two years ago....any season pick one, withour Sanders. We could also be the Cardinals, Raiders of the last 20 odd years, Original Buc's, Saints, etc, etc.

The problem with this team is defense not offense.

(although the offense could be better).

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> The problem with this team is defense not
> offense.
>
> (although the offense could be better).

The problem is (and has been for years) that we can't find a good balance. If the defense is good, then the offense is terrible...and vice-versa. If they goal of winning is to outscore your opponent, then you either have to score a lot or stop the other team FROM scoring. We haven't been able to do both at the same time in a LONG time.

Very true. Last year we had a defense and no offense.

Yea Daboll what a bum. I hate how he has opened up the offense and brings some creativity. Back to back 100yd games from daniel thomas and tons of yardage from henne against the patriots. Dan carpenter what a bum makes almost every kick last year and goes to the pro bowl some body can this clown.

sleekdogg Wrote:
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> Yea Daboll what a bum. I hate how he has opened up
> the offense and brings some creativity. Back to
> back 100yd games from daniel thomas and tons of
> yardage from henne against the patriots. Dan
> carpenter what a bum makes almost every kick last
> year and goes to the pro bowl some body can this
> clown.


Really SLLEEKY? Your that arrogant?

Ok whoaaaa Thomas rushed for 200 yards in two games, ok tell me this how many TD's does he have rushing?

Tell me how many catchs does the best catching RB in Bush in the league have?

How many TD's does our offense have in three games versus how many we should have, yeah some can be blamed on Marshall dropping like 3 td's.

What out of 5? 6? FG attempts in two games carpenter miss's three.

He suck's so bad at long range fg's they would rather try to get ten yards on 4th down to get first down rather than let him try a what 61,62 yard attempt?

Yeah Daboll opens up the offense so much, what we have a not so successful deep pass now YEAHHHHHHHH.

Your a tool to believe that this Daboll is awsome, granted he is better than Henning, doesnt mean much after three games he better do somthing, because his play calling of late is garbage, just garbage, what happen to Clay why wasnt he used, why no 4 wr set, why not use the no huddle, I mean Jesus the no huddle on a few plays a series mess's with a defense and creates missmatchs, but did we even attempt one?

Stupid play calling followed by poor execution results your fired Daboll.

I was reading an article a few months ago and it centered around a team who,at the time, had just played the Browns. The defensive players were commenting on how simplistic the Browns offense was and it was so easy to predict what plays were what just by seeing the formations, the same formations they had seen all week in films. A couple of them commented something to the fact that it was like an offense from a decade or 2 ago. I wish I could find that article as this was before the season started and after we already hired him as our offensive coordinator.

I had an uneasy feeling when I read it and now I know why. The play calling is pretty pathetic to say the least.



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A F.ckin MEN It is garbage.

jtksurf Wrote:
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> I was reading an article a few months ago and it
> centered around a team who,at the time, had just
> played the Browns. The defensive players were
> commenting on how simplistic the Browns offense
> was and it was so easy to predict what plays were
> what just by seeing the formations, the same
> formations they had seen all week in films. A
> couple of them commented something to the fact
> that it was like an offense from a decade or 2
> ago. I wish I could find that article as this was
> before the season started and after we already
> hired him as our offensive coordinator.
>
> I had an uneasy feeling when I read it and now I
> know why. The play calling is pretty pathetic to
> say the least.


Longtime NFL QB, Jim Miller, who is now an analyst on Sirius NFL Radio, said that after he broke down film of the Browns last year, he believed that Brian Daboll was running one of the most creative offenses in the NFL. He said that the execution of the Browns' offense suffered from playing 4 different QBs, injuries on the o-line, and no proven talent at WR. But, he said that the schemes were some of the best in the league.