Per Andrew & Omar phins are in the top 5 in redzone trips, but 4 for 10 on TD's, something like 22nd in efficiency which was the big question with Henne's execution & the offensive play calling

Henne can't catch the ball for his receivers. Just saying...

Receivers can't catch the ball either when its five yards out of bounds.

psalm462 Wrote:
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> Receivers can't catch the ball either when its
> five yards out of bounds.


Well that's true. How about when it hits them in the hands?

Henne has had 2 TD passes dropped by Marshall, and both were in both his hands. That would change our percentage to 6 out of 10, which is a jump of 20% because we are talking about such a small sample size. There have also been several breakdowns where Marshall runs a route that Henne is not expecting. And listening to Gruden and Jaworski on the Monday night broadcast, and Jim Miller and Rich Gannon on Sirius after the Texans game, they were all more critical of Marshall for those breakdowns. They all said that he wasn't running good routes.

There are 2 HUGE issues that need to be resolved before we become a good red zone offense. The first is that we need to establish that we are capable of running the ball into the endzone. If you cannot do that, passing becomes extraordinarily difficult. There is such limited space to work with, if you cannot at least make the defense think "run" for a second or two, you will always struggle. Ask Dan Marino about this, because he lived it in the latter stages of his career. The second thing that needs to get better is pass protection from the o-line. So far, on red zone pass attempts, you have seen one play that was intended for a TE. And that is because we have been keeping the TEs in to block. What happened on the one play where Fasano and Mastrud both went out into the pattern? Henne was hit and sacked by two defenders. Why is this important? Because, in the red zone, you need big, physical targets. You need guys with height, and guys who can carve out their own space. TEs are perfect for that. Look at Chad Pennington in 2008. Did he throw TDs to WRs? No, he didn't. Our red zone TDs under Pennington were almost all to Fasano and Martin. Right now, Henne does not have the luxury of being able to use a TE in the red zone.

DM: You got it. I agree 100%. If we're going to throw fades, those should go to the TEs, not the WRs. That's just not Marshall's game. Just because he's tall doesn't mean he's good at catching fades or jump balls. I haven't seen him do that even once since he's been here.

Hopefully Thomas can get some TDs in the redzone...and avoid fumbles. That would go a LONG way to fixing this.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> The bottom line is that like SamSam in another
> thread. You guys just are not satisfied with
> Henne.
>


I dont hate henne....but i saw last years games all of them...So yes im not satisfied with him.

How many points did new england scored on us???????? 38????


When marino was here he used to beat new england 42 to 40 or something like that....

Marino had the worst slowest LBs etc defense in football.....and no running game.

The opposing Qb threw 4 tds......but dan threw 5........


And yes brother, he was a one man team . You know what i mean !

Hey, here's a crazy idea!

Instead of figuring on outscoring New England's 38 points, why not just try to get a defense that will keep them under what we score?

LOL.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Hey, here's a crazy idea!
>
> Instead of figuring on outscoring New England's 38
> points, why not just try to get a defense that
> will keep them under what we score?


haha....How many did we score 24 was it?

I think we are going to need a pro bowl defense ------and yes i mean every single player must be a pro bowl player------to hold new england to 24 points or less this year. They are loaded man.-

EDITED THE HELL OUT OF THIS POST 4 the following......BTW...The hell with New England, the jets and the bills. all three king kiss my left foots toenail.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/23/2011 10:38AM by samsam3738.

montequi Wrote:
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> DM: You got it. I agree 100%. If we're going to
> throw fades, those should go to the TEs, not the
> WRs. That's just not Marshall's game. Just
> because he's tall doesn't mean he's good at
> catching fades or jump balls. I haven't seen him
> do that even once since he's been here.
>
> Hopefully Thomas can get some TDs in the
> redzone...and avoid fumbles. That would go a LONG
> way to fixing this.


And the guy that Daboll mentioned when talking about red-zone issues was Charles Clay. We've heard that his quickness is a matchup problem for defenses. He also ran the ball a lot in college, so he gives you some options.

Brady has thrown for like over 900 yeards in just 2 games. I think that is a record.

Has Clay even got on the field?

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> Has Clay even got on the field?


Not yet, I don't think.

hey this tread proves a great point... when have we gotten into the red zone so frequently? we can move the ball but you cant put it on henne like montequi said... further in the redzone you have to be able to run the ball and i cant believe i am saying this but i would like to see a little just a little more running when we get into the redzone. expecially in situations like 1 and 10 at the 17. would like to see draws or te screen, shuffle pass or something dinky like that to get a cheap 8 yards

Look Clay and Thomas is going to make a world of differnace.

Youll see this week you will see mwhahahahahahahaaaa, the evil shananagan's envolved mwahahahahaaaaaa poor Cleavland never even saw it commin.