I hope Jeff gets healthy and back in top shape, he could be a big time WR find for us

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Drops have always been an issue for Fuller, including an insane 23 in 2011. Maybe the injuries contributed to that and made it worse in 2011. He needs to get that fixed.

Jlyell you say "without the injuries" but I notice the best catches he made were the first two or so but they were thrown by Johnson.

Tannehill was the QB the next year although the last catches on the clip from 2010 were thrown by Tannehill. [footnote: he had to wait on one of those passes and he was open but the pass was thrown behind him.]

But the point is that you say "injuries" but the elephant in the bathroom is the fact that we're talking about different QBs throwing to him from 2010 to 2011.

No, I'm not putting down Tannehill. But what I am saying is that maybe the CHEMISTRY BETWEEN JOHNSON AND FULLER WAS BETTER THAN THE CHEMISTRY BETWEEN TANNEHILL AND FULLER.

Now, if it was "injury " that slowed Fuller's performance then that means NOTHING to us.

However, if it was lack of CHEMISTRY between he and Tannehill that was the reason for his drops in 2011 then that is very much our concern.

You don't blame either person but the bottom line is that it was the combination of the two of them that caused the drops.

Maybe, he will get more used to Tannehill throwing since this will be the second year in a row that he will be receiving passes from Tannehill.

He's a great UFA pick up IMO. He certainly looks like NFL material so we'll see. Obviously there's a ton of competition at the position and probabaly way more talent than most folks think.

Yeah, BNF, I forgot. He's only a free agent. Guess I'm just saying that its going to be interesting seeing the practice where Tannehill throws to him as opposed to Tannehill throwing to other receivers. We'll see if the drops continue in practice.

And we'll probably see if the drops occur with Fuller and Moore/Garrard.

Drops are on the WR. It really has nothing to do with chemistry between WR and QB. If your a good WR and the ball touches your hands, you catch it.

Now QBs obviously spin the ball differently but a good WR should be able to make an easy adjustment. Especially since WRs catch balls from the number 1 and number 2 QB in practice. Also, catchability plays a factor in whether a pass is considered a drop. If it is a high degree of difficulty then it probably is not counted as a drop.

Bottom line: Drops are on the WR. The QB can't catch it for them.

I agree and its what I said about Brandon Marshall.

Everything you say is correct 1423. However, there does exist chemistry between QBs and Receivers and, although as a WR it is your job description to catch the ball if it is catchable, as a flat out undeniable fact some receivers are able to catch some quarterbacks better than others.

Let me state the example closest to our hearts.

Chad Henne threw an incredibly hard fast hot ball. It bounced off the hands of all of our receivers. They were much better able to catch the balls throw by Pennington. But Pennington could not throw the long ball.

But most people on this board blamed Henne rather than the receivers.

Still when Brandon Marshall dropped six passes in the endzone thrown by Matt Moore, Brandon was blamed. I blamed him too.

So, I think you describe the world that should be. Not sure that is the world that actually exists.

I've seen receivers like Brandon blamed for dropping passes from Moore and I've seen QBs like Chad Henne blamed for throwing the ball too hard to Brandon.



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There's pleanty of Video on Fuller dropping passes he should have caught (I believe some I watched were in practice). Doesn't matter IMO. Thill throws a very catchable ball -- as evidenced but the fact his passes are readily caught by other receivers.

It's safe to assume either Fuller had some stuff going on upstairs or he simply has ongoing concentration issues. Either way, if he's serious about having an NFL career he should hit the jugs and catch 500+ passes a day -- and focus on ZERO drops. If I was his coach that's what I'd have him doing.

I remember years ago watching McDuffie practice one handers -- way before they became relatively common place in the league. So catching a football (1 or 2 hands) is something that needs to be worked on for most guys...

One thing for sure, guys who tend to drop passes (like Marshall) won't get a spot on this roster. No way will Philbin compromise on that.

I agree BNF. I think most receivers spend a good amount of time on the JUGS. But, be warned, your going to see quite a few dropped passes this year because we will be putting the ball in the air quite a bit more than usual. GB receivers always drop some but they get targeted so much that it is bound to happen.

Not talking about Fault, BNF. Just about chemistry. In the final analysis, that makes a difference if you drop balls from person A but not balls from person B......it makes a difference to the team, that is.

The point is that you can't have that combination playing for you if it is the "drop" combination.

He reminds me of a marcus Colston of the saints. If he can play like that with a few drop, and with out the diva attitude i think we will all take it it on this board. Last year Marshall even though talented really played for himself, and dropped too many catchable balls to warrant that many being thrown in his direction. Too me it looked as if he was trying not to catch them as in the fix was on. Lord I hope I'm wrong, but some of those were easy drops, and he was traded for two lousy third round picks. It might not ever be proven however it seemed to me on occassions he wasn't even trying to catch the freaking ball. If we can get a leader to step up, and lead by example we can have adequate to above average recievers this year.

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I think you should pay attention to one undrafted player if you play fantasy football: Jeff Fuller. I'm not saying you should put him atop your late-round-flyer draft list; I'm just saying you should watch Dolphins training camp and see if he can win a job in an offense that will be struggling to find downfield weapons after the trade of Brandon Marshall.

In October, Fuller, of Texas A&M, was a legitimate first-round prospect. Then, as the 2011 season progressed, he seemed to drop more balls than he caught, he lost confidence, and bombed at the Senior Bowl. When I was in Miami last weekend, I could tell coach Joe Philbin had a blank-slate philosophy with everyone on the roster, which will hold Fuller in good stead. That plus he'll be catching the ball from his college quarterback, Ryan Tannehill, and having the plays called by his college coach, Mike Sherman. Maybe the dropsies will be terminal for Fuller. But if he catches the ball well in training camp, he's absolutely an NFL-caliber receiver.

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eesti Wrote:
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> In October, Fuller, of Texas A&M, was a legitimate
> first-round prospect. Then, as the 2011 season
> progressed, he seemed to drop more balls than he
> caught, he lost confidence, and bombed at the
> Senior Bowl. When I was in Miami last weekend, I
> could tell coach Joe Philbin had a blank-slate
> philosophy with everyone on the roster, which will
> hold Fuller in good stead. That plus he'll be
> catching the ball from his college quarterback,
> Ryan Tannehill, and having the plays called by his
> college coach, Mike Sherman. Maybe the dropsies
> will be terminal for Fuller. But if he catches the
> ball well in training camp, he's absolutely an
> NFL-caliber receiver.
>
Well, wasn't it Tannehill that threw him all those balls he dropped in the 2011 season? Wasn't Sherman his coach? Blank slate, huh? You'd think he'd be better off started with a new QB and new coach. I'm not convinced he'll all-of-a-sudden get better under the same system, same QB, and same coach.

Victor

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Nobody is convinced. That's why he wasn't drafted. We will just have to see how Ken O'keefe does with him.

He is going to have to shine bright early and often like Davone Bess did in order to get a shot. He has many players to compete with for a roster spot. Including two guys that actually were drafted.

You have to have a blank slate going into camp. Some guys have bad years. It happens. Fuller had over 1000 yards and 12 TD's in 2010. A perfect example is plastered all over the internet today....Cameron Wake. Some guys have bad years that could happen for many reasons.

For one, he was plagued with injuries his senior year. He started off with a hamstring problem that eventually had to be drained. Then he had a concussion followed by a toe injury. You don't think that has an effect on a player? If you lose your confidence because your body is not 100% then maybe you lose a bit of concentration as well.

He does have positives though...NFL caliber talent, played in the WC offense, played with Tannehill, NFL pedigree (Dad played 6 years as a safety for the 49ers...84-89 during the dynasty).

Sherman obviously knows the kid better than anyone and decided to give him another chance. Could be interesting.

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His Dad played for the 49ers? I didn't know that.

Well sure, I'll be rooting for him. If he beats out our current crop of WRs, that just means our corp got better.

Victor

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Fuller suffered a career-ending spinal injury in October, 1989 against the New England Patriots at Stanford Stadium. The game was played at Stanford University due to the Loma Prieta earthquake that damaged Candlestick Park. All-Pro safety Ronnie Lott stated Jeff Fuller was one of the hardest hitting safeties in the NFL. While he is able to walk, he is no longer able to use one of his arms

When Ronnie Lott touts your dad as an All-Pro, you’ve got to have some good football genes. Such is the case for Texas A&M wide receiver Jeff Fuller, who’s father, Jeff, teamed with Lott to create one of football’s hardest hitting safety duos.

Fuller spent his entire six-year career with the 49ers from 1984-89, playing on three Super Bowl championship teams. A spinal injury cut short the elder Fuller’s career, but his son looks primed to carry on his family’s NFL legacy.

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eesti Wrote:
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> Fuller suffered a career-ending spinal injury in
> October, 1989 against the New England Patriots at
> Stanford Stadium. The game was played at Stanford
> University due to the Loma Prieta earthquake that
> damaged Candlestick Park. All-Pro safety Ronnie
> Lott stated Jeff Fuller was one of the hardest
> hitting safeties in the NFL. While he is able to
> walk, he is no longer able to use one of his arms
>
> When Ronnie Lott touts your dad as an All-Pro,
> you’ve got to have some good football genes.
> Such is the case for Texas A&M wide receiver Jeff
> Fuller, who’s father, Jeff, teamed with Lott to
> create one of football’s hardest hitting safety
> duos.
>
> Fuller spent his entire six-year career with the
> 49ers from 1984-89, playing on three Super Bowl
> championship teams. A spinal injury cut short the
> elder Fuller’s career, but his son looks primed
> to carry on his family’s NFL legacy.

Great bloodlines for fuller. Too bad it looks like he got his dads hands...

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> Lol.... You talking about the dead one? Hand that
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Actually, I was going for the SS vs WR comparison. I forgot all a out the injury.

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Fuller may look good in practice because he has (like Tannehill) been exposed the the offense, thus he may get his chance moreso to shine than the average non drafted rookie.

He made sopme decent catches in the highlight film, also has nice size, and seems to get separation despite the fact he's not a speed demon. May the best guy stand out

For what it's worth, i'm working with a recent Texas A&M alumni who said the hot rumor going on around the school, was that Fuller was partying too much last year and that's why his played dropped off (pun intended), would explain a lot.....but like I said, for what it's worth.

Like I said...there are many factors that could have gone into the down year. Injuries caused by being out of shape and partying...very possible. especially hamstring injuries!

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It does not take great speed or size to get open in the nfl take Wes welker as he dosent have either. what he does have is cut on a dime ability which Fuller does not have or the abilty to use your body to make open field catches which Fuller can do. So if Fuller can be this offenses version of Orande Gasden I'll take it, and he will in fact have a pretty good nfl career.

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> It does not take great speed or size to get open
> in the nfl take Wes welker as he dosent have
> either. what he does have is cut on a dime
> ability which Fuller does not have or the abilty
> to use your body to make open field catches which
> Fuller can do. So if Fuller can be this offenses
> version of Orande Gasden I'll take it, and he will
> in fact have a pretty good nfl career.

Except that Gadsden had glue for hands. Fuller doesn't.

Victor

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montequi Wrote:
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> Finshady Wrote:
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> -----
> > It does not take great speed or size to get
> open
> > in the nfl take Wes welker as he dosent have
> > either. what he does have is cut on a dime
> > ability which Fuller does not have or the
> abilty
> > to use your body to make open field catches
> which
> > Fuller can do. So if Fuller can be this
> offenses
> > version of Orande Gasden I'll take it, and he
> will
> > in fact have a pretty good nfl career.
>
> Except that Gadsden had glue for hands. Fuller
> doesn't.


Maybe people say that gadsgen had glue hands because IMHO his hands and his feet were the same size.

And if i recall correctly i believe he has 19.9 inch feet.

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To tell you the truth i dont know how big were his hands really but all i know is them hands looked obnormal as hell.

Maybe his dad was really tall.

I Nominate The Real Deal Tannehill For President.....The Next MONTANA-ELWAY-MARINO-AIKMAN- YOUNG-UNITAS Clone( in no particular order )

THIS is what I'm talking about:



We need someone that can do THAT!

Victor

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Gotta love this (memories!!!):

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Victor

Stephen Ross addressing Tannehill's jersey #: "Hope one day we can retire this jersey."

Remember the one vs the Jets???...very similar. probably best catch I ever saw.

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Imagine, Fiedler got credit for those completions.