Everybody here knows I am no fan of local scrub beat reporter Mike Bernadino... He jumped all over the Jake Long is on his way out story first...to get the scoop, whether it be true or not...
[www.sun-sentinel.com]

Ireland took some offense to it, by all but calling Bernadino's bad reporting out by name, at the start of his press conference last night.. He basicly said ask the question, I will be honest with you, dont just speculate... Never heard him do that before, you can see it here

[www.miamidolphins.com]

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Interesting. However Bernadino just basically copy pasted the article that was posted on NFL.com with the same jist.

Odenn Wrote:
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> Interesting. However Bernadino just basically copy
> pasted the article that was posted on NFL.com with
> the same jist.


That would be majic, considering Bernadino's article was up first.

Bernadino's article Published 10:34 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2012
NFL.com article Published: April 28, 2012 at 01:45 p.m

We are talking about speculating and you just did what we are talking about is wrong.. Speculating without facts

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/29/2012 08:11AM by Crowder52.

Crowder, since you live in Miami, what's your rating best to worse for the local beat reporters? Just curious

Dolph
1) Darlington (Top notch) honest(Miami Herald/NFL)
2) Ben Volin (Palm Beach Post, the daily dolphin blog)
3) Dave Hyde (Sun Sentinel) been around a long time
4) Izzy Goud (New) but so far I lik him (Sun Sentinel)
4) Omar Kelly (hot and cold, his ego/injecting himself into stories I dont like) He thinks he is the smartest football guy ever, which he isnt.. (Sun Sentinel)
5) Brian Biggane I think is his name(Palm Beach Post)
6) Armando Salguero Every once in while he pulls a rabbit out of the hat, but his stories reminds me of how my wife would look at football (Miami Herald)
7) Mike Bernadino , a flounder ( Sun Sentinel)

I look at it a little different as well sometimes, Some close friends of mine are tight with alot of Dolphin players, hang out with them, etc... I hear things about players attitude, being out of shape, partying etc.. And on the other hand some guys being hard working, in excellent shape, super smart, etc. I dont like that these reporters dont put some of these players on blast or give the guys doing it right more props.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/29/2012 09:31AM by Crowder52.

lol, Armando couldnt resist the chance to blast some one else for bad reporting..... Pot meet kettle....lol

Ireland shred bogus Jake Long 'report', other stuff
A ridiculous article appeared in the South Florida media Saturday, seemingly reporting as fact that Jake Long's days with the Dolphins are numbered. The article cited no source. The article made the leap that because the Dolphins drafted Jonathan Martin to play right tackle, that must mean the team's left tackle was done in Miami.

Wrong.[

Read more here: [miamiherald.typepad.com]

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Dolph
> 1) Darlington (Top notch) honest(Miami
> Herald/NFL)
> 2) Ben Volin (Palm Beach Post, the daily dolphin
> blog)
> 3) Dave Hyde (Sun Sentinel) been around a long
> time
> 4) Izzy Goud (New) but so far I lik him (Sun
> Sentinel)
> 4) Omar Kelly (hot and cold, his ego/injecting
> himself into stories I dont like) He thinks he is
> the smartest football guy ever, which he isnt..
> (Sun Sentinel)
> 5) Brian Biggane I think is his name(Palm Beach
> Post)
> 6) Armando Salguero Every once in while he pulls a
> rabbit out of the hat, but his stories reminds me
> of how my wife would look at football (Miami
> Herald)
> 7) Mike Bernadino , a flounder ( Sun Sentinel)
>
> I look at it a little different as well sometimes,
> Some close friends of mine are tight with alot of
> Dolphin players, hang out with them, etc... I hear
> things about players attitude, being out of shape,
> partying etc.. And on the other hand some guys
> being hard working, in excellent shape, super
> smart, etc. I dont like that these reporters dont
> put some of these players on blast or give the
> guys doing it right more props.


Thanks.

I don't expect writers and GM's to be friends.

Bernardino's got to eat.

Ireland has to defend his turf.

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- Winston Curchill

Truth- I dont get what you mean, WHat does this have to do with a reporter and GM being friends? Bernadino wrote a horrible piece with no sources, pure specualtion on his part, that is being questioned by even his own collaegues at the sun sentinel...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Truth- I dont get what you mean, WHat does this
> have to do with a reporter and GM being friends?
> Bernadino wrote a horrible piece with no sources,
> pure specualtion on his part, that is being
> questioned by even his own collaegues at the sun
> sentinel...


I have a low opinion of reporters in general.

I've grown accustomed to them offering opinions and speculating instead of just reporting facts. For me, that is now part of their job description.

I don't have an issue with a guy speculating on what Martin being selected means to Jake Long's future. We were doing the same thing on Friday.

Bernardino has a job to do. That's to draw eyes to his paper with Dolphin related material. Was this his best moment? Nope. But I'm not really going to sweat it.

In my line of work, every presentation I give to a client isn't perfect either.


As for Ireland, he did his job. He cleared the air and went after the erroneous report. If that embarrasses Bernardino...so be it. He had it coming. But he doesn't work for Ireland so I doubt it will have much of an impact.

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- Winston Curchill

Well here is what happens...

Bernadino writes a crappy article, that then gets picked up by mike Florio who the turns around and post it on PFT with a title stating "Jake Long on his way out" which then in turn gets picked up by Mike & Mike in the Morning and they destroy us for being complete idiots for not wanting Jake Long and then every national sindicated radio station is hammering us.....


When, none of it was true to begin with.

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Considering how bad Colombo was last season, and the huge gaping hole on the right side of the line, I thought it was stunningly obvious that Martin was, in fact, drafted to play right tackle.

But then again, I'm an idiot, so hey?

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Well here is what happens...
>
> Bernadino writes a crappy article, that then gets
> picked up by mike Florio who the turns around and
> post it on PFT with a title stating "Jake Long on
> his way out" which then in turn gets picked up by
> Mike & Mike in the Morning and they destroy us for
> being complete idiots for not wanting Jake Long
> and then every national sindicated radio station
> is hammering us.....
>
>
> When, none of it was true to begin with.

Exactly right.

Which is why the opinions of national media types means next to nothing to me. They are just feeding the machine by repeating what they heard and twisting it to suit their needs.

Its why I didn't get excited when a few talking heads mentioned Ross comment at the Tannehill press conference. I heard the comment. It was harmless. The national guys already have their opinions/perceptions/agendas and they are going to push them no matter what he says.

In the absence of a comment to twist they will invent a story to suit their purposes. Ross could have stood there yesterday with a ball gag in his mouth to keep from speaking and there would be story out there of how he refused to endorse the pick of Tannehill at his press conference.

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- Winston Curchill

Truth the difference is Ross gave them the material with his comment. That is what Ross, doesnt get, as owner you have to be careful what you say.... The ego gets in the way of better judgement.

Problem is Ross and Dee, are trying to reinvigorate the fan base, build hype around a player to do it... It doesnt work, fans down here are tired of that type of tactcs. It has gotten us no where..
It is time to keep your head down, and lets your actions on the field speak.. Selling hype is useless in south florida, when it comes to the Dolphins these days... TO many dreams and hype that never reached fruition. WHich is why they lose credibility... Kind of like the boy who cried wolf... Eventually words becomes a joke...

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Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> Well here is what happens...
>
> Bernadino writes a crappy article, that then gets
> picked up by mike Florio who the turns around and
> post it on PFT with a title stating "Jake Long on
> his way out" which then in turn gets picked up by
> Mike & Mike in the Morning and they destroy us for
> being complete idiots for not wanting Jake Long
> and then every national sindicated radio station
> is hammering us.....
>
>
> When, none of it was true to begin with.


Florio hates me. My comments always get deleted. Once in a while one will sneak through though. He knows I don't like him.

We just have to hope Jake Long stays glued together or the speculation is irrelevant.

But yea, reporters find it necessary to play amateur psychics and do what’s necessary in order to draw attention... The problem is there’s so much competition and everyone is scrambling to remain relevant in a media mix that’s fragmented into a thousand pieces…

THE Truth Wrote:
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> I don't expect writers and GM's to be friends.
>
> Bernardino's got to eat.
>
> Ireland has to defend his turf.


He has to Eat? Thats Bullshit my friend. Let me go out and arrest anyone then, hell my family has to eat too right?

Let unscroupulous Car dealers and Auto shops run amok and overcharge people. They need to eat too right? And we shouldn't expect the Truth and Good Solid based Reporting from Professionals?

Sorry that pisses me off. Don't even get me started on another News Story thats huge right now becuase of Slanted Bias media. If you have no News to print , You shouldn't be given a license to make some up becuase you need to feed your family. F that.

And I'm glad Irlend is finally showing some balls.

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He has to Eat? Thats Bullshit my friend. Let me go out and arrest anyone then, hell my family has to eat too right?

Yup. "Has to eat" is the excuse given by those of questionable ethics and morals for ages. It don't make it right.


Besides, last time I checked, this country still has food stamps. I say, let these half assed reporters eat the government cheese until they figure out how to publish facts.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> THE Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't expect writers and GM's to be friends.
> >
> > Bernardino's got to eat.
> >
> > Ireland has to defend his turf.
>
>
> He has to Eat? Thats Bullshit my friend. Let me
> go out and arrest anyone then, hell my family has
> to eat too right?
>
> Let unscroupulous Car dealers and Auto shops run
> amok and overcharge people. They need to eat too
> right? And we shouldn't expect the Truth and
> Good Solid based Reporting from Professionals?
>
> Sorry that pisses me off. Don't even get me
> started on another News Story thats huge right now
> becuase of Slanted Bias media. If you have no News
> to print , You shouldn't be given a license to
> make some up becuase you need to feed your family.
> F that.
>
> And I'm glad Irlend is finally showing some balls.


Did anyone here actually READ the article in question?

NOWHERE in that article does Bernadino imply that the Dolphins are thinking this... or that the ball is in motion...or that sources tell him...etc...etc...etc.

All he did, is exactly what we did on this site after Martin was picked. He added up the circumstantial evidence...

Long is in the last year of his contract.
Long has had injury issues.
Long already makes a ton of money and hasn't agreed on an extension yet.
Miami just used the 42nd pick for a 1st round (projected) LT who is the prototype LT for a Zone Blocking scheme.

Then he asked the logical question that comes from that evidence. Heck, he didn't even answer that question. He just put it out there.


Now if you guys want to argue that that is an opinion piece and he's supposed to report the news, not write opinion pieces...go for it.

But if, as a fan, anyone read that nonsense and got upset by it they need a thicker skin.

Kudos to Ireland for squashing a rumor before the talking heads could go nuts with it on Monday. That's his job.

As for Bernadino...who really cares?

The issue isn't really with him. Its with assholes like Florio who take that meaningless, speculative article...slap a provocative headline on it and spin the story off in a whole new direction that are the REAL problem.

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seriously Truth, come on...Did we even read the article.. I think he does a little more then you suggest.. Did you read the whole article?
Just in case you missed it, let me refresh you memory with its opening. very Charles Dickens of him...lol

Regime changes bring scheme changes. Scheme changes bring personnel changes. That's just basic football math.
And the more I do the calculations, the more it seems Jake Long is about to get caught in the vortex of this sweeping Dolphins overhaul.
It might not happen this offseason, but the massive left tackle — whose massive contract runs out after next season — is on shaky ground just the same.
The latest evidence came Friday night, when the Dolphins drafted Stanford's Jonathan Martin in the second round........Martin is also just 22 and will be making modest second-round money, so the chance to plug him into an overpriced spot like left tackle should prove tantalizing

You are nuts if you think Bernadino had any right publishing this article. THis is why reporters ask questions... He got to question Ireland after the second day of the draft, if he was planning to write a story, why not ask... Oh becasue he didnt want his story ruined, with the truth... something you should know about, since it is the moniker you go by... But I guess Truth to you is very different then, others, who read this piece, including Ireland, who Bernadino was playing the part of.....
When you fail on one argument... The mans got to eat, so it is justified... You attack something else...ok..spin doctor

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> seriously Truth, come on...Did we even read the
> article.. I think he does a little more then you
> suggest.. Did you read the whole article?
> Just in case you missed it, here is how it
> opens...
>
> Regime changes bring scheme changes. Scheme
> changes bring personnel changes. That's just basic
> football math.
> And the more I do the calculations, the more it
> seems Jake Long is about to get caught in the
> vortex of this sweeping Dolphins overhaul.
> It might not happen this offseason, but the
> massive left tackle — whose massive contract
> runs out after next season — is on shaky ground
> just the same.
> The latest evidence came Friday night, when the
> Dolphins drafted Stanford's Jonathan Martin in the
> second round........Martin is also just 22 and
> will be making modest second-round money, so the
> chance to plug him into an overpriced spot like
> left tackle should prove tantalizing
>
> You are nuts if you think Bernadino had any right
> publishing this article. THis is why reporters ask
> questions... He got to question Ireland after the
> second day of the draft, if he was planning to
> write a story, why not ask... Oh becasue he didnt
> want his story ruined, with the truth...
> something you should know about, since it is the
> moniker you go by... But I guess Truth to you is
> very different then, others, who read this piece,
> including Ireland, who Bernadino was playing the
> part of.....
> When you fail on one argument... The mans got to
> eat, so it is justified... You attack something
> else...ok..spin doctor


Its not spin Crowder. its reality.

Bernardino has to write articles to fill newspaper inches or he gets fired. That's what it means when I say "he's got to eat."

He does. He's doing his job.

In THIS CASE he's not REPORTING anything. He's discussing a topic, its progression and circumstances AS HE SEES IT.

He's very clear about this. You even quoted it and I just highlighted it for you so you don't miss it again.

He's reading the tea leaves on a situation that most Dolphins have kicked around in their head before he even sat down at his typewriter, drawing his own conclusions and expressing his OPINION.

As I said before, you have every right to demand that your reporters "report" and not opine.

But that doesnt change THE Truth, which should be as plain as the nose on your face, that he was merely doing his job and he didn't do anything wrong. Accept, apparently, express an opinion.

Here's a thought. Don't read his stuff. That will teach him. Maybe you and DolphanKing can get together an stage one of those infamous local protests out side his bosses office and get him fired.


As for your constant references/digs to/at my screen name...lol...its awesome. Just reaffirms to me that I couldn't have picked a better one. The fact that it bothers you and Bob so much makes it that much more fun.

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what is the big dea? bernadino was giving his opinion that this could lead to long leaving. he didn't say anyone from the team told him that. it's his opinion and as a columnist (as opposed to a reporter) that's his job

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It's never necessary to tell me that you think I'm right. We'll just... assume it.

Sorry, i think it is horrible that Bernadino had a chance and a responsibilty to ask Ireland anything he wanted and chose not to ask questions and investigate, research, check with sources before publishing an article like this.. He didnt, I expect some form f truth seeking in reporters.. Or is the sun sentinel, now TMZ/enquirer. I must be living in a different world. I dont read Bernadino, his knowledge and insight is awful, and he normaly cheap skates himself and his profession by his lazy actions that leads to misinformation to those that read him... Just more proof...

SO i guess you are saying there is no such thing as sports reporters they hide behind the columnist title and now they can just make up stories...lol

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Sorry, i think it is horrible that Bernadino had a
> chance and a responsibilty to ask Ireland anything
> he wanted and chose not to ask questions and
> investigate, research, check with sources before
> publishing an article like this.. He didnt, I
> expect some form f truth seeking in reporters.. Or
> is the sun sentinel, now TMZ/enquirer. I must be
> living in a different world.

Actually, I doubt Bernardino had a chance to speak to Ireland about it.

His article was posted at 10:34 pm friday night.

At that time Ireland would have been knees deep in either just having selected or preparing to select our third round picks.

Its a major assumption to assume he had the time to answer any questions from any reporter in the hour or two leading up to that story being posted. Not that I expect The truth to change your opinion.

You are entitled to want your reporters to report and do nothing else.



> I dont read
> Bernadino, his knowledge and insight is awful, and
> he normaly cheap skates himself and his profession
> by his lazy actions that leads to misinformation
> to those that read him... Just more proof...


There you have it. he's half a rung above Armondo Salguero in your eyes.

That explains a lot.


>
> SO i guess you are saying there is no such thing
> as sports reporters they hide behind the columnist
> title and now they can just make up stories...lol


In a way, that's the truth. There really aren't any pure reporters anymore. But its disingenuous of you to claim he "made up" a story. He didn't. He wrote an opinion piece. There's a huge difference.

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- Winston Curchill

sorry but the sports pages would be totally boring if all that was in them was "Miami Dolphins drafted X player in Y round with the following stats _______." We already know that the instant it happens with tv and the internet. I want some insight/opinion about what this means, whether this was a good pick, etc. Whether that insight it right, wrong, stupid, whatever, I don't have a problem with the person writing it. What I don't like is what pft does, taking a tweet or something, and then reporting it as "fact." Like the "ross insists we take tannehill" story, totally bogus.

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> what is the big dea? bernadino was giving his
> opinion that this could lead to long leaving. he
> didn't say anyone from the team told him that.
> it's his opinion and as a columnist (as opposed
> to a reporter) that's his job


Then SAY THAT. State this is my opinion, Not fact. But the whole argument that reporters have to eat is what pissed me off, not the actual article. I see some of the Bullshit the media creates around some incidents that I have actually wittnessed first hand.

Again I'm not going to mention a certain news story thats huge now, but Trust me its 100% media driven Bullshit. No different then this article. Goddamn reporters print made up drivel and sensationlize everything just to sell news. No different then some so called "reality Shows". All Bullshit. You need to eat? Find a real job if you can't make ends meet reporting Actual news.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> berkeley223 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > what is the big dea? bernadino was giving his
> > opinion that this could lead to long leaving.
> he
> > didn't say anyone from the team told him that.
> > it's his opinion and as a columnist (as
> opposed
> > to a reporter) that's his job
>
>
> Then SAY THAT. State this is my opinion, Not
> fact.

HE DID say that...

He said and I quote..."And the more I do the calculations, the more it seems..."

And show me in the article where he said it was a "fact" Long was on his way out the door.







> But the whole argument that reporters have
> to eat is what pissed me off, not the actual
> article. I see some of the Bullshit the media
> creates around some incidents that I have actually
> wittnessed first hand.

Reporters do need to work to get paid and keep their job. Same as you.

You don't have to like that...but its the truth.

Hold then accountable for what they write, but this opinion piece isn't the problem. Its what the rest of the media did with it after the fact.

That's not on Bernardino. He was doing his job. If you think he does it badly, don't buy that paper or read their stuff.

Seems pretty simple.

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Yup it was clear he was giving his opinion. Nothing he write implied otherwise to me

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It's never necessary to tell me that you think I'm right. We'll just... assume it.

Quote:

The truth
He said and I quote..."And the more I do the calculations, the more it seems..."

And show me in the article where he said it was a "fact" Long was on his way out the door.

Show me where he didn't. Crowder is 100% right. You are no better because you are spinning this Bullshit ......the More its Seems!? Really?

Seem: appear to be something: to give a particular impression or sensation, either of a quality or of something happening

He wants you to believe what he is saying. No facts, no interviews, NOTHING. Na Da. Just his B.S. Angle trying to start a conserversy after the draft. Its completely made up drivel hiding behind a wall of Crap.

And you defending it as this guys right to provide for his family is no different then some guy using he was hungry so I robbed a store as a defense.

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> He said and I quote..."And the more I do the
> calculations, the more it seems..."
>
> And show me in the article where he said it was a
> "fact" Long was on his way out the door.
>
> Show me where he didn't. Crowder is 100% right.
> You are no better because you are spinning this
> Bullshit ......the More its Seems!? Really?
>
> Seem: appear to be something: to give a particular
> impression or sensation, either of a quality or of
> something happening
>
> He wants you to believe what he is saying. No
> facts, no interviews, NOTHING. Na Da. Just his
> B.S. Angle trying to start a conserversy after the
> draft. Its completely made up drivel hiding behind
> a wall of Crap.



Yes and you guys are living proof that reading comprehension is another failing of our educational system...

"The more I do the calculations...the more it seems..."

HIS calculations. HIS interpretation. His OPINION.

THE MORE IT SEEMS ("appear to be something: to give a particular impression or sensation, either of a quality or of something happening) TO HIM...


He's NOT claiming it as a fact.

You guys are going batshit crazy over this like he is.

Its not Bernardino that misrepresented this. Its the guys that used an OPINION piece to push an agenda or story line about this team they've been pushing for months. Guys like Florio, etc.



>
> And you defending it as this guys right to provide
> for his family is no different then some guy using
> he was hungry so I robbed a store as a defense.


Yes I forgot. In TCPF's America writers aren't entitled to make an observation or draw conclusions, only regurgitate facts...and they certainly aren't entitled to an OPINION. Having one is the same as committing a crime...



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