Right now the Phins don't have a starting RT. Martin is a good pick.

As for Long, his health will be a factor. Long's injuries have been a liability, and if he misses time again this season, and doesn't adjust his salary expectation accordingly, then Martin may be moved to LT.

Can't see why anyone would honestly think this. Did drafting Long signal a bye bye for VC?

Martin is a great pick in his own right and can play both sides, I love this pick!

THE Truth Wrote:
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> samsam3738 Wrote:
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> > Why do we have to trade or get rid of our good
> > players guys. We need to build around our good
> > players not let them go.
>
>
> Its economics Sam sam.
>
> You have 120 mill a year to spend on 53 players or
> so.
>
> Long already makes $15 mill and he wants a raise
> despite the fact that the cap he was projected to
> be playing his current contract under was higher
> then what they are actually playing under.
>
> Long is a great player, but just how much of you
> cap do you want to devote to a position that's
> value has diminished league wide?
>
> Just look at the last ten Super Bowl winners...ONE
> had a LT drafted in the first round.
>
> If Long wants more than we are willing to spend,
> then he needs to be traded. there is absolutely
> NOTHING to be gained by keeping him for another
> 8-8 season and letting him walk after.


You are as crazy as a road lizard. You know what a road lizard is?

It's a lizard who MAKES HIS HOME in the middle of the road.

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I think we got a a solid pick with Martin, the dude has 1st round talent.

Here's some food for thought - there's a clearance sale going on for Jake Long jerseys. Bess jerseys too. Marshall's went on a clearance sale before he got traded. I smell something fishy but I hope it's just a coincidence....

not the jersey theory again...come on guys...

I think alot of scouts had Martin as the second best tackle, ahead of Reily Reiff. I have seen Martin as high as 8, and as low as 20..
Either way, I believe Martin to be one of the top 25 Studs... I think he plays RT, like Ireland said he projecting him to RT, but also will be able to bounce to the LT spot if injury dictate such a move... WHich I am not counting on, I think Jake Long is gonna have a great year..

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808phan Wrote:
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> Here's some food for thought - there's a clearance
> sale going on for Jake Long jerseys. Bess jerseys
> too. Marshall's went on a clearance sale before he
> got traded. I smell something fishy but I hope
> it's just a coincidence....

Don't forget that the NFL switched from Reabck to Nike for jerseys. That may be why those jerseys are being sold on clearance...

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> dolphaholic Wrote:
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> > This pick could be the beginning of the end of
> > Jakes Miami days, play Martin at RT this year
> and
> > next, then let Long walk?
>
>
> He's been in the Pro Bowl every year. letting him
> go would be retarded. Plus I love my #77 jersey!

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Yes, he's been in the Pro Bowl every year, but I question his selection last year. He played well, but not Pro Bowl level.

Ireland has already said Jake is going nowhere (for what that's worth).

Jake has been injured a lot lately. If the brass thinks Murtha can handle the RT job, then Martin can play LT and Miami should be able to get a pretty good pkg deal for Long.

I also like Long and he is very valuable to that line, but the injuries (and his wanting more money) concerns me.

we'll probably just let him walk for nothing after the season. I mean, that's what teams do with pro bowl LTs in their prime, right?

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berkeley223 Wrote:
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> we'll probably just let him walk for nothing after
> the season. I mean, that's what teams do with pro
> bowl LTs in their prime, right?

That's what I read THE Truth as saying.

He says we should do this rather than wait for the year that his contract is up where the player will have maximum advantage over us.

So, according to THE Truth, let's get rid of him before that happens.

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> we'll probably just let him walk for nothing after
> the season. I mean, that's what teams do with pro
> bowl LTs in their prime, right?


I hope not.

Can't let an asset like that walk for nothing.

Have to sign him or trade him before the season starts.

berk, the problem with his last post is that although it makes a great deal of sense for the Miami Dolphins to get him to sign another contract before the seasons starts FOR THE VERY EXACT SAME REASONS PLURAL it makes little sense for Jake to do so.

The only reason he would is if he were afraid of either the old or a future injury devaluing his stock.

But all this BS about getting a pro bowl player in his prime to lower his expectations is just that.

Ireland again said, he drafted Martin to be a RT. He said he plans on Jake Long being with Dolphins for a long time...

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Crowder52 Wrote:
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> Ireland again said, he drafted Martin to be a RT.
> He said he plans on Jake Long being with Dolphins
> for a long time...

You think that the importance of left tackle has "diminished league wide"? With the emphasis being placed on pass rushers? I think not. Whatever round a guy was taken in, you have to have a superior LT to handle the other team's best pass rusher. Tannehill is a RH passer. Also, if his salary is that high, what makes you think another team would be willing to take it on?

Rick

dolphan4545 Wrote:
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> You think that the importance of left tackle has
> "diminished league wide"? With the emphasis being
> placed on pass rushers? I think not. Whatever
> round a guy was taken in, you have to have a
> superior LT to handle the other team's best pass
> rusher. Tannehill is a RH passer. Also, if his
> salary is that high, what makes you think another
> team would be willing to take it on?


The object here is to win a championship.

Go look at the last 10-15 Super Bowl winners and who they have playing LT.

1 of the last ten was a first round pick. There's no question that you need a competent LT, you don't need a franchise LT to win.

Part of the reason for this is QB are generally more athletic these days, but also with the proliferation of the passing game over the last decade or so the QB is in the shotgun more frequently.

THE Truth Wrote:
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> Go look at the last 10-15 Super Bowl winners and
> who they have playing LT.
>
> 1 of the last ten was a first round pick. There's
> no question that you need a competent LT, you
> don't need a franchise LT to win.

That's reaching pretty far down the logic chain to use statistics to prove a point.

I wonder what the stats are for center or guard or even tight end.

Yeah, any relationship is purely coincidental. Just because two facts are both true does not mean that there is any relationship between the two.

But the bottom line is that if you have a pro-bowl player, unless he's a bowel movement like BM, you try your best to get him.

I know you don't understand this and that is why..............

This is a stupid question posed by Bernadino. You don't build a team around a player only to let him walk. Long isn't going anywhere. He won't even want to leave once we start winning which is going to be this year.

The only bad part about taking Jonathon Martin is he won't be able to practice until may when Stanford graduates. Unfortunately for Indy, same goes for Luck and Fleener. I just hope he hits the gym and builds some functional strength which is a weakness at this point. Only 20 reps on the bench press.

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808phan Wrote:
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> Here's some food for thought - there's a clearance
> sale going on for Jake Long jerseys. Bess jerseys
> too. Marshall's went on a clearance sale before he
> got traded. I smell something fishy but I hope
> it's just a coincidence....


Who wants to buy a jersey for an LT? People want QB jerseys. That is why Ross was so hot to draft Tannehill... #17 jerseys will sell like hotcakes for at least a year before anyone knows what they've purchased.

Long will stay ..........

DolfanKing Wrote:
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> 808phan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Here's some food for thought - there's a
> clearance
> > sale going on for Jake Long jerseys. Bess
> jerseys
> > too. Marshall's went on a clearance sale before
> he
> > got traded. I smell something fishy but I hope
> > it's just a coincidence....
>
>
> Who wants to buy a jersey for an LT? People want
> QB jerseys. That is why Ross was so hot to draft
> Tannehill... #17 jerseys will sell like hotcakes
> for at least a year before anyone knows what
> they've purchased.

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I definantly agree. That's the reason I dont have a Long jersey; because I refuse to wear a jersey on an O-lineman. And I love Long, but I ain't wearing his jersey.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

i wonder how many SB champs had a higher drafted LT than QB. Maybe NE and St L. anyone else? serious Q.

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Off the top of my head, I can tell you that the Ravens did back in 2000. Pretty sure Ogden was the top pick and Dilfer wasn't.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

dilfer was a high first round pick though

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

But he wasnt higher than Ogden, that's what you asked, right!?

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

yep, your're right A and O. but everyone remembers dilfer as this crappy FA type Qb, when actually he was the 6th overall pick in the draft. ogden went 4 over all. but practically always, it seems, the SB winning teams had high first round picks at QB and OL most people can't even name who were lower round picks.
though if we win the SB with RT #8 and Long #1 overall, I won't complain at all!

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

I got you.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

What's a "franchise" left tackle? What's your point? What difference does it make where you pick a guy? If he keep his man from putting your QB on his ass with some consistency, he's "competent". Since that guy is historically the best pass rusher on the other team lining up on your QB's blind side, he better be good enough to do that.

Rick



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AND look at how often guys like Roethlisberger, Kurt Warner, Sam Bradford, Carson Palmer and Matt Stafford have been injured and missed significant time b/c of a bad LT.

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