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2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: January 19, 2012 07:51AM

For whoever becomes HC:

1) Chad Pennington – I really believe he’s got what it takes to become a great coach. Is he willing to give-up all those hours to do it? He’d be an excellent choice as QB coach for a new regime, and could move up the ladder quickly…

2) Zack Thomas – An endless film study player with a fantastic never die attitude. He’d be an excellent LB coach and possibly more down the line… Same question as above, would he be willing to give-up all those hours?

Both of these guys know football in a big way, and both of these guys were students of the game. Pennington is extremely bright whereas Zack just outworked the competition. Anyway, the odds are low but it’s fun to consider…

BNF.

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: DA TRUUTH ()
Date: January 19, 2012 07:57AM

drinking smiley

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: January 19, 2012 08:38AM

I agree. I think we should try to bring them up the ranks.


We better hurry up with Pennington, though. He is gonna get settled in on that Booth gig he has.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Date: January 19, 2012 09:35AM

I'm all for it. Start a new trend and Grow our own. Both were outstanding Football studies. smileys with beer

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: January 19, 2012 11:15AM

I would like to see Pennington. Not sue about Zach. For all of his and Jason Taylor's talents. Neither appeared to be future coaches IMHO. When you see a defense like the Ravens w/ Ed Reed and Ray Lewis I see 2 future coaches.

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: JC ()
Date: January 19, 2012 11:32AM

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> I would like to see Pennington. Not sue about
> Zach. For all of his and Jason Taylor's talents.
> Neither appeared to be future coaches IMHO. When
> you see a defense like the Ravens w/ Ed Reed and
> Ray Lewis I see 2 future coaches.


If you see Ray Lewis as a coach, how can you not see Zack Thomas as a coach?

Zach was even more of a leader, in my very biased opinion, than Ray is. A little smaller than Ray,and a little less vocal overall, but very much a leader with the qualities of a coach.

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: January 19, 2012 11:36AM

Maybe this is what we need to do. Since nobody else cares to coach the phins.

Not a bad idea.

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: January 19, 2012 12:05PM

JC Wrote:
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> mizzou15 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I would like to see Pennington. Not sue about
> > Zach. For all of his and Jason Taylor's
> talents.
> > Neither appeared to be future coaches IMHO.
> When
> > you see a defense like the Ravens w/ Ed Reed
> and
> > Ray Lewis I see 2 future coaches.
>
>
> If you see Ray Lewis as a coach, how can you not
> see Zack Thomas as a coach?
>
> Zach was even more of a leader, in my very biased
> opinion, than Ray is. A little smaller than
> Ray,and a little less vocal overall, but very much
> a leader with the qualities of a coach.


I live in the Baltimore area and have watched the Ravens quite a bit. I hate to give them the credit but I believe the ravens can play an entire game w/ out defensive coaches. Lewis and Reed are that good knowing their D and defensive assignments as well as there commanding the respect o their fellow d- players. I never saw that w/ Zach and Taylor.

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: January 19, 2012 06:23PM

The question is coaching. And that being true, Ray Lewis is all talent and Zach Thomas is all mind. I'd go with Zach as linebacker coach. I'd rather have the guy who was so small that he had to think in order to be effective than the big fast guy who had such natural talent. That's because you cannot "teach" talent but you can teach technique.

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: January 20, 2012 03:52AM

If Zach was gonna Coach, he would already be involved in it.

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 20, 2012 06:02AM

I'd still like to see Don Strock have a part within this organization.

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: mizzou15 ()
Date: January 20, 2012 06:26AM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> The question is coaching. And that being true,
> Ray Lewis is all talent and Zach Thomas is all
> mind. I'd go with Zach as linebacker coach. I'd
> rather have the guy who was so small that he had
> to think in order to be effective than the big
> fast guy who had such natural talent. That's
> because you cannot "teach" talent but you can
> teach technique.


Dude you know nothing about Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis watches so much film he recognizes so many offenses that he changes games w/ the plays he makes.

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: JC ()
Date: January 20, 2012 06:30AM

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> ChyrenB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The question is coaching. And that being true,
> > Ray Lewis is all talent and Zach Thomas is all
> > mind. I'd go with Zach as linebacker coach.
> I'd
> > rather have the guy who was so small that he
> had
> > to think in order to be effective than the big
> > fast guy who had such natural talent. That's
> > because you cannot "teach" talent but you can
> > teach technique.
>
>
> Dude you know nothing about Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis
> watches so much film he recognizes so many
> offenses that he changes games w/ the plays he
> makes.


All I was trying to say earlier is that Zach also was a tremendous studier of film and also recognized formations of opponents as they lined up to snap the ball.

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: January 20, 2012 06:57AM

Ray Lewis is obviously a student of the game, and he may be a candidate to coach down the line. But for my money, Zack demonstrated superior awareness and overcame his physical limitations by simply out-working the competition in game prep, including endless hours of film study and breaking down the tendencies of the opposition.

At Zack’s best, he diagnosed plays and made his break to the ball as fast as ANYONE I’ve even seen play LB. For his size he was rarely “washed-out” because he continuously beat the blocker to the point of attack. Bottom line, he played with brilliance and made it look easy week in and week out.

Lewis was always significantly more gifted physically, but there’s no way he’s in the same category of Zack in terms of instant play recognition, read and reaction, and productivity based on physical prowess. Put another way, if Zack would have had Ray’s physical tools he would have been banned from the game – he’d simply overwhelm the opposing offense from all directions – like a high IQ Tasmanian Devil!

Zack is HOF IMO.

And before him we had another great ILB years ago – John Offerdahl, He doesn’t get mentioned a lot, but that dude was big-time player as well. Our current core of LB’s are simply nowhere near as “instinctive” and football smart as guys like Zack and John.

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: JC ()
Date: January 20, 2012 07:01AM

BigNastyFish Wrote:
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> Ray Lewis is obviously a student of the game, and
> he may be a candidate to coach down the line. But
> for my money, Zack demonstrated superior awareness
> and overcame his physical limitations by simply
> out-working the competition in game prep,
> including endless hours of film study and breaking
> down the tendencies of the opposition.
>
> At Zack’s best, he diagnosed plays and made his
> break to the ball as fast as ANYONE I’ve even
> seen play LB. For his size he was rarely
> “washed-out” because he continuously beat the
> blocker to the point of attack. Bottom line, he
> played with brilliance and made it look easy week
> in and week out.
>
> Lewis was always significantly more gifted
> physically, but there’s no way he’s in the
> same category of Zack in terms of instant play
> recognition, read and reaction, and productivity
> based on physical prowess. Put another way, if
> Zack would have had Ray’s physical tools he
> would have been banned from the game – he’d
> simply overwhelm the opposing offense from all
> directions – like a high IQ Tasmanian Devil!
>
> Zack is HOF IMO.
>
> And before him we had another great ILB years ago
> – John Offerdahl, He doesn’t get mentioned a
> lot, but that dude was big-time player as well.
> Our current core of LB’s are simply nowhere near
> as “instinctive” and football smart as guys
> like Zack and John.


Agree 100%

And re Offerdahl, the only thing affecting his legacy was his career was shortened by injuries so he has less longevity in the league.

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: January 20, 2012 07:04AM

Forgot to add my last point... If Zack was coaching these guys he'd have them in film room a lot more, and we'd be WAY BETTER prepared than we have been. In fact, I just don't see anyone on our D who qualifies as a "master" of the game. YB may be as close as we get. But we need either better coaching (collaborating with players in the film room and game prep) or a few players capable of intensive film study and translating that to the field...

On thing about Billygoat - he demands his players put the time in the film room. It's not by accident his team always seems ready to play. We've been rather up and down in that respect for years, and that translates directly to coaching and leadership.

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: January 20, 2012 10:18AM

mizzou15 Wrote:
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> ChyrenB Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The question is coaching. And that being true,
> > Ray Lewis is all talent and Zach Thomas is all
> > mind. I'd go with Zach as linebacker coach.
> I'd
> > rather have the guy who was so small that he
> had
> > to think in order to be effective than the big
> > fast guy who had such natural talent. That's
> > because you cannot "teach" talent but you can
> > teach technique.
>
>
> Dude you know nothing about Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis
> watches so much film he recognizes so many
> offenses that he changes games w/ the plays he
> makes.

Don't get your panties in a bunch. No one said that Ray Lewis was not a studier of film. But it can't be denied that Ray Lewis' fame was built on his size, speed and talent.

Zach's fame was built on sniffing out plays and being in the right place at the right time.

So what I'm saying is that I would rather have, as a coach, an A+ student in strategy who is a B in talent, size, and Speed, than the guy who is a Hall of Fame in talent, size, and Speed, but maybe is a B+ or A minus in strategy.

No one's saying that Ray Lewis is an idiot. Your post is the only one that comes close by accusing me of suggesting it.

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: jlyell13 ()
Date: January 22, 2012 01:56PM

Why hasn't Don Strock been an NFL coach?

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Re: 2 ex-players I’d like to see coach in Miami…
Posted by: JC ()
Date: January 22, 2012 02:08PM

jlyell13 Wrote:
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> Why hasn't Don Strock been an NFL coach?


Good question. My guess (and it is certainly a guess) is that he is put off by the prima donna aspect of today's players. I suspect this is what also prevented our other great QBs (Griese, Marino) from going into NFL coaching (although these latter two had the decision made easier by having broadcasting as an alternative).

That's a shame because all three of those QBs would be great NFL coaches.

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