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Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Date: January 17, 2012 10:16AM


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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: Jim B ()
Date: January 17, 2012 10:33AM

Not really. It took Fisher forever to decide...so, the owner/QB situation must have been closer than most are willing to believe.

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: January 17, 2012 02:21PM


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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: Hooligan2 ()
Date: January 17, 2012 03:12PM

The 35 million contract making him the second highest paid coach in the NFL may have had something to do with it.

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Date: January 17, 2012 06:08PM

He could have been the HIGHEST paid coach. drinking smiley

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 17, 2012 06:40PM

TreasurecoastPhinsfan Wrote:
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> He could have been the HIGHEST paid coach. drinking smiley

Saban was the highest-paid coach way back when..but it didn't keep him here.

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Date: January 18, 2012 01:48AM

When your making Millions , a few more doesn't matter. But other things like relationships. power, winning does. Miami needs to get smart with the other things again to make this place attractive.

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: January 18, 2012 05:00AM

when people are taking less $$ to work in St Louis over Miami, then you got problems. The one thing you can't change on a team is the owner and if ownership is the tiebreaker we will lose every time

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: January 18, 2012 05:03AM

Its not just Ownership, Berk. Its the QB situation.

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: January 18, 2012 05:07AM

yes but the QB situation can be fixed. I truly believe the QB was not the reason Fisher didn't come here. It was Ross and Ireland. If he had a good feeling about them, he'd be here today. Based on how Ross and Ireland have conducted business the last 12 months, would you want to work for them?

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: January 18, 2012 05:07AM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> when people are taking less $$ to work in St Louis
> over Miami, then you got problems. The one thing
> you can't change on a team is the owner and if
> ownership is the tiebreaker we will lose every
> time


Ross isn't the issue. It's our lack of qb.

The fact that we were in fishers final two when they have Bradford and the 2nd pick and we have Moore should tell you that fisher LIKED our gm and owner, or at the very least could have worked for them.

Ross is NOT the problem here.

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: berkeley223 ()
Date: January 18, 2012 05:09AM

I usually agree with Phinsfan/Truth and A and O, but I gotta differ here. I don't think it's the QB. If it was Fisher wouldn't have waffled for a week. He knew who the Qbs and draft spots were on day 1.

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: January 18, 2012 05:10AM

No top notch Coach in there right mind would pick a situation with Matt Moore over Sam Bradford.

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: January 18, 2012 05:15AM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> yes but the QB situation can be fixed. I truly
> believe the QB was not the reason Fisher didn't
> come here. It was Ross and Ireland. If he had a
> good feeling about them, he'd be here today. Based
> on how Ross and Ireland have conducted business
> the last 12 months, would you want to work for
> them?

Established coaches look for opportunities where they can win quickly.

Fisher even said it was about finding a good situation and a qb.

Reports were that he's been putting together a staff for months. Don't u think that in that time he'd do his research on prospective employers?

Of course he did. That's why he had only two teams on his list despite there being a ton of openings.

Is Ross a good enough owner to overcome our lack of qb? No. He's an unproven commodity. But that's not the same as being bad owner or someone who is a detriment to the process.

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: THE Truth ()
Date: January 18, 2012 05:25AM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> I usually agree with Phinsfan/Truth and A and O,
> but I gotta differ here. I don't think it's the
> QB. If it was Fisher wouldn't have waffled for a
> week. He knew who the Qbs and draft spots were on
> day 1.




That's just not he case unless u assume Ross and Ireland a a HUGE negative...which they aren't. Fisher himself said he was very impressed with Ireland and would love to have worked with him.

Here's why it took so long for him to make a decision:

He liked Ireland .

He liked Ross and his financial committment to winning.

He likes Miami Over st Louis (doesnt everyone).

Our offer was MORE than theirs.


At the end of the day he was tempted to take our situation over st Louis DESPITE our not having a qb but without final say on how we were going to get a qb he went with the safer bet...Bradford or RG3

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 18, 2012 05:31AM

berkeley223 Wrote:
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> yes but the QB situation can be fixed. I truly
> believe the QB was not the reason Fisher didn't
> come here.

I disagree. When you have Matt Moore -vs- Sam Bradford or RGIII, isn't it blatantly obvious who has more potential at QB? If we were in the running for Luck or RGIII, this would have turned out very differently. Unfortunately, we're a middle-of-the-road team right now, and that's the worst place to be. If you're at the bottom, then you have the potential to get MUCH better in the draft. If you're already a playoff team, then it's unlikely you'll be looking for another HC. We're in no-man's land. Purgatory..and it sucks.

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: January 18, 2012 06:33AM


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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: January 18, 2012 09:03PM


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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: January 19, 2012 02:16AM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> And I usually don't agree with Berk but it is
> simply unfathomable that a coach would make a
> decision based SOLELY on Bradford over Moore.
> Now, Manning over Moore or Tebow over Moore or
> Newton over Moore but BRADFORD OVER MOORE? And
> you are going to roll your entire family's and
> your dice over that?
>
> Put down the crack pipe.


It's not just Bradford. They have a shot at Luck or RGIII.

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: January 19, 2012 04:09AM

Bingo.

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: January 19, 2012 08:22AM

Okay, Victor and A & O. But I thought that someone was arguing that Moore vs. Bradford was the basis of the decision. I could see Luck or RGIII vs. Moore but Bradford has hardly shown me that he would be the reason a coach would go there rather than to where Matt Moore is starting.

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Re: Ross publically bitch slapped..........
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: January 19, 2012 08:42AM

Well, its the entire package. Bradford AND the #2 pick, is better than Matt Moore and the #9 pick.

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