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Suck for Luck?
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 22, 2011 08:46AM


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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: September 22, 2011 09:01AM

We need Jimmy Johnson as a consultant to tell us how to get the best value out of trading our projected high 1st-round pick!! I don't want JJ making the draft picks, but I'd like him to tell us how to get value from what we have.

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: Doug-THE-Dolfan ()
Date: September 22, 2011 09:20AM

You brgin up some ggod points, but after having Dan the Man I guess I have been spoiled.

I want a franchise QB. I like Henne a lot, but I am tired of having a mediocre team and a struggling QB.

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: Krunk Fu ()
Date: September 22, 2011 09:31AM

Today's NFL is completely different than it was in the 80's and 90's.

The rule changes since the Marino era have completely changed the game. These days, quartbacks win Superbowls.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/22/2011 09:34AM by Krunk Fu.

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: JC ()
Date: September 22, 2011 09:34AM

montequi Wrote:
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> We need Jimmy Johnson as a consultant to tell us
> how to get the best value out of trading our
> projected high 1st-round pick!! I don't want JJ
> making the draft picks, but I'd like him to tell
> us how to get value from what we have.


OH god no.

The only thing Jimmy Johnson could tell us at this point is how to dial it in as a coach when you've mentally checked out years beforehand.

That, and about how much bigger "little Jimmy" is after popping all those boner pills he keeps hawking on TV

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 22, 2011 09:54AM

Krunk Fu Wrote:
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> Today's NFL is completely different than it was in
> the 80's and 90's.
>
> The rule changes since the Marino era have
> completely changed the game. These days,
> quartbacks win Superbowls.


QUESTION: Do quarterbacks win SuperBowls nowadays by themselves no matter how crappy the rest of the team is?

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 22, 2011 09:57AM


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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 22, 2011 10:02AM

Chren i wouldnt call those team good teams.......When dan played he had No defense whatsoever and no running game....


The phins got to the playoffs mainly because of dan marino...Yes thats exactly what im saying marino was a one man team....Meaning he made everybody around him way better than what they were.

Henne cannot do that not even close. At least not yet.

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 22, 2011 10:05AM

And I don't think he ever will, SamSam, but the point is whether QB is such a critical need that we ignore the other holes on this team.

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 22, 2011 10:07AM

We had the best paasing game with him..........He made receivers look like superstars...........he made Tends look great....He made richmond webb and keith simms look like future hall of famers with that quick release.

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 22, 2011 10:12AM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> And I don't think he ever will, SamSam, but the
> point is whether QB is such a critical need that
> we ignore the other holes on this team.


We need to adress other needs chren....No doubt but QB is the most important piece to a team JMHO

I mean other teams can acomplish it why cant us.....?

Which gets us back to the coaching staff and the precident of the team and everybody behind the scenes that arent making the right moves. From getting the right players or signing the coaches....Come on bryan cox as a coach? ...........Come on man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!angry smiley

This team needs a mayor overhaul bud...........Starting from the front office.

Thats the way i see it.

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 22, 2011 10:20AM

And im gonna let it all out right here.....I dont trust henne....

Thats why i wish we lose the rest of the games i dont give a crap....So that we can get the first pick....QB......And start from scratch all over again!

All this is giving me heartburn trust me....But that what i wish.

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Whats the point of making the playoffs and facing new england and get beat 62-7 remember jacksonville? Then get the 25th pick in the first round!

Im old and tired and i wish i would see the phins go deep in the playoffs once again....

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: Krunk Fu ()
Date: September 22, 2011 10:39AM


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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 22, 2011 10:42AM

Krunk Fu Wrote:
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> Do quarterbacks win SuperBowls nowadays by
> themselves no matter how crappy the rest of the
> team is?
>
> Just look at the drastic change in the Colts
> without Manning.

Good one there KF.

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 22, 2011 10:46AM

Krunk Fu Wrote:
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> Do quarterbacks win SuperBowls nowadays by
> themselves no matter how crappy the rest of the
> team is?
>
> Just look at the drastic change in the Colts
> without Manning.


Thats the perfect example.thumbs up

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 22, 2011 11:09AM

BTW brian Cox was playing and laughing with the players the other day on the sidelines....>Did anybody see that?

What kind of an attitude is that for a coach?

Laughing and making jokes!

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: montequi ()
Date: September 22, 2011 11:14AM

Krunk Fu Wrote:
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> Do quarterbacks win SuperBowls nowadays by
> themselves no matter how crappy the rest of the
> team is?
>
> Just look at the drastic change in the Colts
> without Manning.

When was the last Superbowl that Indy won?

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 22, 2011 11:21AM

montequi Wrote:
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> Krunk Fu Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do quarterbacks win SuperBowls nowadays by
> > themselves no matter how crappy the rest of the
> > team is?
> >
> > Just look at the drastic change in the Colts
> > without Manning.
>
> When was the last Superbowl that Indy won?


He means the colts suck without manning and they are a great team with him playing...They won once with manning. He is got a ring.

They are always mentioned with the best teams every year with him.

This year they are one of the worst without him.

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 22, 2011 11:23AM

One player can mean a big difference montequi.

Thats why i think the QB position is the most important position in a football team. And 99.9 percent of the people here think like that as well. You probably do too!

Do you agree?

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: September 22, 2011 11:24AM

How about I "stunt for "..ahhh, well...I better not say.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 22, 2011 11:35AM

Aqua&Orange Wrote:
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> How about I "stunt for "..ahhh, well...I better
> not say.

Spill the beans aqua.....what do you mean? You lost me.

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: Aqua&Orange ()
Date: September 22, 2011 02:10PM

Its a play on words (albeit, cheesey at that)

Suck for luck...


Stunt for ...... you fill in the blank.

It was a pretty lame attempt at a joke, I must admit.

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"When you suck long enough, you get a Hickey"

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: BigNastyFish ()
Date: September 22, 2011 05:43PM

I'll pass on this one for now. The answer won't be resolved until week 16 concludes.

But for now, Henne is WAY BETTER than I had him slotted. Not NFL Franchise quality (at least not yet) - but he's showing POSITIVE upward movement. And good for him...

Last year he just regressed. So maybe there's still more to be tapped into? Besides that, this team has a TON of issues and (I can't believe it's still true) one draft won't solve ALL our problems...

It's like ground hog day year in and year out.

BNF.

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 23, 2011 08:40AM


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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 23, 2011 09:09AM

Chyren B my whole point with all this is we need a superstar QB and we do not have that.

The QB position is the first position that needs to be addressed in the draft next year just like it should had been addressed this year and it wasnt..

And yes i stand by my believe that the qb position is the main position on a football team....

Of course that is not the only position that needs to be addressed. We all know that. Come on its a team sport.

All im saying is i want the first pick next year in the first round.....be it a QB.....then lets go from there.

Build your team around the best qb coming out of college next year. And start over from scratch.

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we have some good young talent on this team bess, camarillo, odrick, cameron wake jake long the rookie center and so on.......we have some great talent just get that qb we need,,, hire a new coaching staff and move on.

Easier said than done. I know.



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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 23, 2011 09:23AM


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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 23, 2011 09:33AM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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>
> Now, if you are prepared to not just Suck for Luck
> but suck for about three to five years AFTER WE
> GET LUCK while we build a team around him then
> that's what you're asking for.



Yes im prepared for that you are exactly right.... Because we have been sucking for the last 10 or more years. There have been like 9 or 10 qbs or something like that.......that werent worth crap.....with no results so far whatsoever....


i will even wait 10 years....i just hope they do the right thing....again, easier said than done.

PS. Ive been waiting since marino left and no results so far. I dont mind waiting longer i got no other choice since im never jumping towards no other team's bandwagon. That will never happen.

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: ChyrenB ()
Date: September 23, 2011 10:04AM

Of course you know, one could always be wrong about Luck. There are the Ryan Leaf and Todd Blackledge examples.

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 23, 2011 10:16AM

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> Of course you know, one could always be wrong
> about Luck. There are the Ryan Leaf and Todd
> Blackledge examples.

Agreed. But we have to take a chance someday chryren. If we get that 1st pick this year and we dont take luck i will develop a head fart....And i dont even know what that is i just came up with head fart right about now.

But you know..........there are definetely other teams that are worst than us..KC and probably the colts so we might as well forget about the first pick. Just saying.

I want to see them win bad.............But the sad part is we might get it on and get things going when its already too late....win a few games and wont pick nowhere near the 1st pick overall.


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my christmas wish list....How many does the genie alows 3? Ok here it goes.


1. Win just 2 games. Both against the jets.

2. Every other team in the NFL wins at least 3 games.

3. Get the first pick overall.

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Re: Suck for Luck?
Posted by: samsam3738 ()
Date: September 23, 2011 10:47AM

I think this thread should be a sticky thread.

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