People are way too obsessed with hitting the deep throw. They have a strange perception of how often these passes are completed. Henne and Moore each missed deep throws tonight. But, the vast majority of those throws are missed.

In 2010, Tom Brady completed 5 out of 19 pass attempts of more than 30 yards. Peyton Manning completed 7 out of 25 attempts of more than 30 yards. Aaron Rodgers completed 7 out of 22. Roethlisberger hit 8 out of 19. That is 4 elite QBs, and they hit 27 out of 85. That's 31%. If you hit one out of 3, you are doing pretty well. What's important is that we are attempting the deep ball, at least forcing the defense to defend it. And we'll get better at hitting it as the season wears on.

BUT HENNE DIDN'T SCORE 3323298 POINTS BY HIMSELF, NOR DID HE SWITCH AND PLAY DEFENCE TO PREVENT CAROLINA FROM SCORING! HE IS A FAILURE!!!!

TheFutt Wrote:
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> BUT HENNE DIDN'T SCORE 3323298 POINTS BY HIMSELF,
> NOR DID HE SWITCH AND PLAY DEFENCE TO PREVENT
> CAROLINA FROM SCORING! HE IS A FAILURE!!!!


Dude be fair. He played decent tonight.

dolfanmark Wrote:
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> People are way too obsessed with hitting the deep
> throw. They have a strange perception of how often
> these passes are completed. Henne and Moore each
> missed deep throws tonight. But, the vast majority
> of those throws are missed.
>
> In 2010, Tom Brady completed 5 out of 19 pass
> attempts of more than 30 yards. Peyton Manning
> completed 7 out of 25 attempts of more than 30
> yards. Aaron Rodgers completed 7 out of 22.
> Roethlisberger hit 8 out of 19. That is 4 elite
> QBs, and they hit 27 out of 85. That's 31%. If you
> hit one out of 3, you are doing pretty well.
> What's important is that we are attempting the
> deep ball, at least forcing the defense to defend
> it. And we'll get better at hitting it as the
> season wears on.


Very good point. Omar Kelly keeps trashing Henne's deep ball, suggesting that he hits about 2 out of every 10 in practice. I suspect he is a little off. As a math teacher, I would have simplified that ratio.

Didn't he live on the deep ball at MICH?

My guess is that we didn't practice it enough in the past couple years...didn't attempt it enough in games...therefore, when it came time to produce, it was as if it was not practiced enough and not attempted often enough.

I know that he has the arm and an ability to hit the long throw (see Ginn streaking behind Revis and some other member of the Jets secondary on Monday night game a couple years ago). He's nowhere near perfect on the deep ball, but I honestly don't think the perceived struggle is primarily about his capability.

He just needs more attempts at it.

It will come with more throws. There will be big TD's this season guaranteed.

The reason why is simple REGGIE Bush will demand defenses to play on him and let Hartline beat up a Corner, and easily get behind the FS on numerous play's.

Well with Bush and Marshall running shallow or middle routes the deep will be there more, so its gonna be important that Henne hit those throws. Henne was decent vs Carolina but can he be consistent, we'll see

BTW Hello Everyone, new to the forum seems fun

CanalByJoeRobbie Wrote:
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> Well with Bush and Marshall running shallow or
> middle routes the deep will be there more, so its
> gonna be important that Henne hit those throws.
> Henne was decent vs Carolina but can he be
> consistent, we'll see
>
> BTW Hello Everyone, new to the forum seems fun


Welcome. What the reason for your name?

ghotirule Wrote:
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> Jonathan Twilley Wrote:
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> > CanalByJoeRobbie Wrote:
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> > **********
> >
> > Welcome. What the reason for your name?
>
> It is the Snake Creek Canal. A.K.A. C-9. It is
> navigable from 441 all the way to Maule Lake and
> then the Inter-coastal.
>
> Not that I'm out to change anyone's screen, but
> SnakeCreek or C9 seem to be way cooler handles.
>
> How does the Ghotirule know this? The Ghotirule
> knows fish.
>
> Anyway, the banks next to it used to be overflow
> parking, until they built the new lot at JRS.
> Always wondered if some Jest fans car has ended up
> in it.


LOL Snake creek played out and its a childhood thing(Carol City know)
PS...we crashed a dirt bike and 4 wheeler in that piece

dolfanmark Wrote:
> He did live on the deep ball at Michigan. It was
> the strength of his game. We did not attempt many
> deep passes under Henning. The pass protection
> wasn't there, and the deep threats at WR have not
> existed. Ginn had all the speed in the world, but
> he couldn't beat the jam, so rarely got deep. But,
> ask Braylon Edwards and Mario Manningham about
> Henne's deep ball. They built their careers off
> it.

I'm sold. I am beginning to understand why they drafted him in the first place. I actually liked the pick at the time, but like most fans, I grew impatient with him. That is partly because we have had to watch the success of Ryan. I think with the right pieces now, we will see a different Henne.

One must also realize that the sample space for the long throws is so small that just one more completion significantly increases the percentage. I suspect that, this year, the sample space and completion percentage will grow because of the Daboll's change in philosophy and the added speed to the receiver core. The video shows that Henne is more than capable of making the passes, this year the concerted effort to throw long will breed more success.